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Old February 19th, 2020, 13:56   #16
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So it does. We don't list it as 507 on IDParts, probably to reduce confusion that too many Mobil 1 oil choices would cause.
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Old February 19th, 2020, 13:58   #17
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"Mk6" what?

Jetta? Civic?
Dont know many hondas with VW507 spec.

Pretty sure coolant is to be changed when you do a timing belt change. Not quite lifetime pal.
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Old February 19th, 2020, 14:54   #18
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Mobil has Two 1 ESPs. One is a 0w30, the other a 5w30. The 5w30 has a VW 507.00 spec. There are lots of other oils that do, too: Rowe, Liqui-Moly, Total, Pentosin, to name a few. And as an aside, no Amsoil lubricant has any VW certifications.

And I agree with oilhammer on lifetime coolant. My wagon is going on 18 years and 400K+ miles. Cooling system has never been drained. Haven't had any hoses fail, either. I'd probably add power steering fluid to the lifetime list, as well.
Amsoil "European Car Formula 5W-30 Improved ESP Synthetic Motor Oil" does for VW 504/507 according to this:

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g3395.pdf

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Old February 19th, 2020, 15:03   #19
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Yes, the AEL is 507 approved. But there's a lot of skepticism about the approval due to the way Amsoil has labeled other products. It's also mostly group iii+ base stock.
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As discussed in other threads, the 507 spec doesn't allow for group IV base stocks, but some companies (e.g. RedLine) make emissions system compatible group IV oils for cars requiring 507, but they're not VW approved.
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Old February 19th, 2020, 15:21   #21
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Many of the 507 oils have a goodly amount of group iv base stock, just not entirely. The original M1 ESP 507 formulation for instance had a good charge of PAO.
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Read the small print at the bottom of the sheet: AMSOIL products are formulated to meet or exceed the performance requirements set forth by the manufacturers of all applications shown/listed here. It does not say it has the approvals, as Mobil does. Amsoil marketing speak.

Writing that AMSOIL European Car Formula Synthetic Motor Oil is engineered for use in gasoline or diesel vehicles that require any of the following specifications: as the spec sheet says, is not the same as stating it has approvals.
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It's confusing, but the AEL does have 507 approval. You can contact Amsoil and ask them if in doubt.

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...tic-motor-oil/

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So it does. We don't list it as 507 on IDParts, probably to reduce confusion that too many Mobil 1 oil choices would cause.
Honestly I'm not sure how much faith I'd put into what's listed on your site...

You have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L listed in the 507 oil category and it is not, according to Pennzoil's TDS.

The Platinum Euro LX is....the L is not.

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That's a bit of a low blow, imo. Typos happen, and I think Pennzoil changed up some of their product names/specs. Most normal people (not me, lol)have better things to do with their time than to get down into the weeds of motor oil minutia.

https://www.machinerylubrication.com...ase-oil-trends

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Honestly I'm not sure how much faith I'd put into what's listed on your site...

You have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L listed in the 507 oil category and it is not, according to Pennzoil's TDS.

The Platinum Euro LX is....the L is not.
Actually, I don't see 507 in the product description.

https://www.idparts.com/pennzoil-pla...rt-p-4303.html

Maybe it was in the past, but, as noted, Pennzoil has changed their products. This is a "legacy" product for us: We originally added it to the site for Ecodiesel owners, but it no longer meets the spec for that engine.

Maybe I'm missing something???
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Dont know many hondas with VW507 spec.
Pretty sure coolant is to be changed when you do a timing belt change. Not quite lifetime pal.

Well, "pal", there is no published PM in the schedule for the coolant OR the water pump. We generally just do the water pump as preventative maintenance, but I challenge you, "pal", to find ANY VAG product with "change coolant pump" and/or "change coolant" in the PM schedule.

507.00 is an oil spec, not a coolant spec... "pal".

And what of VAG engines that have no timing belts? You know those exist, right? Even diesels.
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Well, "pal", there is no published PM in the schedule for the coolant OR the water pump. We generally just do the water pump as preventative maintenance, but I challenge you, "pal", to find ANY VAG product with "change coolant pump" and/or "change coolant" in the PM schedule.
507.00 is an oil spec, not a coolant spec... "pal".
And what of VAG engines that have no timing belts? You know those exist, right? Even diesels.
You agree with me but you don't agree with me ,make up your mind Brian. We we all know the silicates get used up in coolant with is the rust inhibitor over time.
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I agree the coolant is best to be changed at some point... and that point is when (not if) the cooling system needs something serviced. I DISAGREE that there is a published specification for changing it: because there is not. That is all I was saying. VAG DOES consider the coolant in their vehicles to be "lifetime" and never needs to be serviced. The semantics of that word "lifetime" can mean different things to different people.

In the VAG world, most all of these cars will need something on the cooling system touched before they are 10 years old. The ones that tend to go the longest (and I have a good dataset for this) as I mentioned are the later 2.5L 5 cyl gas engines in the A5, A6, NCS, NMS cars. These have no timing belt. These have no silly plastic housing nonsense water pump assembly like the craptastic EA888 4 cyl gassers have. These have no variable collar water pump that breaks apart like the later VR6 cars have. These have a reasonably simple cooling system overall. The most common reason they have to tap into the cooling system is when the quickie lubers and mouth breathing morons overtighten the oil filter caps to the point they crack the plastic oil filter housing and it starts spewing oil all down the front of the engine... THEN you have to open the cooling system because not only do you have to take the front of the car off for access (which of course means removing the radiator), but the oil cooler is attached to the side of the oil filter housing. So unless you are going to collect and reuse the coolant (which nobody outside of California is likely to do), it is going to get replaced. However, in those circumstances, the coolant is still perfectly fine. There was never any issue with the coolant to warrant its replacement "just because" in the same manner there is no reason to replace the coolant when you replace the water pump preventative wise on a timing belt job. It just gets done be default. It is like replacing the air in a tire when you dismount it to patch a puncture.

BTW, there are ways of measuring coolant quality. One universally used way is to measure latent voltage in the cooling system. It is an old school but effective way of testing, but modern HOAT coolants generally are very good about not allowing this to be a problem, so it is not often thought of much any more.
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Actually, I don't see 507 in the product description.
https://www.idparts.com/pennzoil-pla...rt-p-4303.html
Maybe it was in the past, but, as noted, Pennzoil has changed their products. This is a "legacy" product for us: We originally added it to the site for Ecodiesel owners, but it no longer meets the spec for that engine.
Maybe I'm missing something???
Shows up in the Category for 507 oils.

https://www.idparts.com/507-approved-oils-c-201.html
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