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Old March 12th, 2018, 16:11   #46
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Funny, having AWD is a deal breaker for me. I don't think there's any reason for it in most metro areas. Just adds complexity and weight, IMO.
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Old March 12th, 2018, 16:12   #47
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That's why we have options and choices...
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Old March 13th, 2018, 00:20   #48
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One such option:
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...4-erster-test/
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswa...ve-gone-before
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Old March 13th, 2018, 03:50   #49
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That's why we have options and choices...

Except the "we" (Americans and Canadians) don't. Unless you want a giant pickup, or a CUV/SUV or some other such abortion. Has anyone seen that new Acura thing? Good gravy I nearly threw up when I saw one on the road last week. It looks like a cross between the Jetzon's sky car and a turtle.

The lady I purchased my 2004 Passat wagon 4mo from was left without a new Volkswagen to purchase in 2014, because the Passat wagon, 4mo or not, was no longer available. She wanted nothing to do with a Tiguan (I wouldn't either). She went and bought a Subaru. The Alltrac was not out then, that *may* have been a candidate, who knows. Volkswagen's lack of product portfolio here is increasingly disappointing, especially in light of how vast their offerings are elsewhere. Diesel or not, they have a LOT of models available outside North America.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 04:15   #50
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To be fair, nobody bought the Acura ZDX, and it was discontinued five years ago.

The similar BMW X6 and Mercedes-Benz GLE Coupe, though... people actually buy that trash. And, I mean, I'd be slightly better with it than an X5 or a normal GLE, except they don't get better mileage, either, despite the fastback profile.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 04:25   #51
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Oh man, I thought that thing was new, LOL. Cannot recall ever seeing one... and it is so ugly, it gets burnt into your retinas so bad you can't UNSEE it.

The hump back MBs and BMWs are pretty awful too.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 04:31   #52
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The lady I purchased my 2004 Passat wagon 4mo from was left without a new Volkswagen to purchase in 2014, because the Passat wagon, 4mo or not, was no longer available.
Europe gets the 190PS and the 240PS Passat TDI wagon with 4motion, as well as the 280PS 2.0T, all with DSG only (7-speed for the diesels, 6-speed for the gasser). The 150PS manual 4motion is gone, so if you want to row your own, you end up with FWD.

The Passat Alltrack TSI comes with the 220PS 2.0T instead of the 280. Diesels are same as the 4motion options in the regular Passat wagon.


Arteon comes with the same 4motion options as the Passat.

The only manual transmission Arteon is the TDI 150.

-> Plenty of choices if you live in Europe.
Golf wagon comes with TDI 150 4motion in manual or DSG.
Want a gas AWD Golf wagon? There's a DSG-only Golf R wagon, or a 1.8T Alltrack (DSG-only)
Alltrack also comes with 150hp TDI in manual or DSG, as well as a 184hp TDI with DSG only.

If you are allergic to sedans and wagons, there's also a minivan (based on the B6 passat platform), the Sharan:

4motion versions: 150 TDI manual or DSG, 184 TDI DSG. No gas 4motions.

...and that's before we look into the commercial vehicle lineup, where we find 4motion-equipped vehicles in all sizes and colors.

Caddy Alltrack (4motion TDI)


Multivan Generation Six 4motion TDI


California Beach (pop-up camper) 4motion TDI


Transporter dropside 4motion TDI crew cab (single cab is available too)


Crafter cargo van Super high roof 4motion TDI


Amarok Canyon 4motion TDI

etc etc etc...
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Old March 13th, 2018, 05:20   #53
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Mind you, we get the Golf 1.8T Alltrack in the US, too.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 08:23   #54
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Mind you, we get the Golf 1.8T Alltrack in the US, too.
IIRC you even get a manual 1.8T which we don't... And the 1.8T in non-Alltrack Golfs! And Golfs and Passats with torque converter transmissions! And 5-speed manuals instead of 6-speeds!

And, oddly, you don't get any of the natural gas powered VW/Audi products.
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There is literally nothing, NOTHING, at the Volkswagen dealer in the USA that I would be interested in purchasing. Nothing.

Sad because I am their biggest fan.
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And, oddly, you don't get any of the natural gas powered VW/Audi products.
NGVs don't really have much in the way of tax incentives - I'd say about 15 years ago they were a thing that was being pushed, and some of the American automakers as well as Honda got on that train, but poor fuel availability sunk it.
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Old March 13th, 2018, 11:39   #57
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There is literally nothing, NOTHING, at the Volkswagen dealer in the USA that I would be interested in purchasing. Nothing.
Sad because I am their biggest fan.
I'd buy a 1.8T Golf with a manual. I think that's still a nice car. Maybe with an extended warranty.
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There is literally nothing, NOTHING, at the Volkswagen dealer in the USA that I would be interested in purchasing. Nothing.

Sad because I am their biggest fan.
I feel the same. I might look at the Atlas if it had a TDI, but I don't need that kind of room anymore. I guess it's off the list.
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I'd buy a 1.8T Golf with a manual. I think that's still a nice car. Maybe with an extended warranty.

I think that family of engines is a wallet flushing nuisance.

I'd stomach the 1.4L before the 1.8L. At least the 1.4L has a proper belt running its overhead cams.

The court is still out on its longevity and reliability, though. But I heard through the dealer grapevine they are already having (you guessed it) water pump failures. Seriously, Volkswagen, it is time to give up the plastic water pumps. They suck. BMW too.
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NGVs don't really have much in the way of tax incentives - I'd say about 15 years ago they were a thing that was being pushed, and some of the American automakers as well as Honda got on that train, but poor fuel availability sunk it.
Here they only have low taxes on CNG fuel, and once everybody started using turbocharged engines as the base for their CNG cars, they were getting somewhere. Fuel availablility is really good now, and for when it's not, they still have gasoline tanks...
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