507hp TDi. 423hp without NOS, Anyone got any bigger numbers?

Rub87 · Jan 18, 2016

If you need to make high emp (PR over turbine) for a low PR over the compressor then the turbo is not well matched I would conclude

ryanp · Jan 18, 2016

that was half the problem before, both turbos are new

PeeWee · Jan 18, 2016

Sick just sick, Ryan you are the man!!!

Machineman · May 15, 2016

Why are you not experimenting with the 16v common rails ?

ryanp · May 16, 2016

Thats the next plan, tuning is not easy on those EDC17's!

Rub87 · May 16, 2016

sure it is. its has all features. decent egt governor, decent boost control, no ****ty kwp protocol for meas blocks. there ain't no downsides to it.

ryanp · May 16, 2016

Let me send you spec list and tune files you you can make latest project make 300hp+?

In theory it all works well but in practice its not so easy!

Rub87 · May 16, 2016

edc17 doesnt have much secrets for me =)

andy2 · May 17, 2016

Ryan,how is the car doing ? Did you get the turbo issue sorted ?

If going common rail I know that you would like to stick with the edc17 to learn more about tuning for customers in the future.If it proves to be too much work to tune for an all out drag car then you might consider a standalone system for the time being.

Ruben,It sure would be nice to see a 1.9/2.0L common rail make 400+ bhp on diesel fuel only regardless of ECU.I'm guessing that no one yet has tried to build an all out monster 1.9/2.0 tdi.

I have thought about going common rail with my engine.There are quite a few diesel truck pullers running Bosch Motorsport ecu and there is support on the fueling side with big flow injectors/pump(s). Only issue is that it would be quite a bit of money I'm thinking.

http://www.dieselworldmag.com/uncom...behind-closed-doors-at-ss-diesel-motorsports/

http://www.dieselarmy.com/features/...-duramax-is-poised-to-dominate-the-3-0-class/

andy2 · May 17, 2016

I'll add some more fuel to the fire,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiy4xrh7CU

http://www.trucktrend.com/cool-trucks/1505-1997-dodge-ram-2500/

Rub87 · May 17, 2016

thats a big turbo on the dodge =)

ATR · May 17, 2016

andy2 said:
Ryan,how is the car doing ? Did you get the turbo issue sorted ?

If going common rail I know that you would like to stick with the edc17 to learn more about tuning for customers in the future.If it proves to be too much work to tune for an all out drag car then you might consider a standalone system for the time being.

Ruben,It sure would be nice to see a 1.9/2.0L common rail make 400+ bhp on diesel fuel only regardless of ECU.I'm guessing that no one yet has tried to build an all out monster 1.9/2.0 tdi.

I have thought about going common rail with my engine.There are quite a few diesel truck pullers running Bosch Motorsport ecu and there is support on the fueling side with big flow injectors/pump(s). Only issue is that it would be quite a bit of money I'm thinking.

http://www.dieselworldmag.com/uncom...behind-closed-doors-at-ss-diesel-motorsports/

http://www.dieselarmy.com/features/...-duramax-is-poised-to-dominate-the-3-0-class/

I love the blurb they have on the cp3 pumps...

MODIFIED CP3S

The S&S team builds “stroker” CP3 pumps in 10mm, 12mm and 14mm configurations that deliver more fuel per rotation than a stock CP3 pump that only has about 8 millimeters of stroke. The long stroke pumps feature a new shaft with a larger diameter cam lobe and shorter pistons to deliver more fuel with each revolution of the shaft. They also offer conversion kits to upgrade new model GM trucks from the troublesome CP4 pump to a reliable CP3 while maintaining the necessary emissions related equipment.

Even chevy has issues with that blasted CP4 pump

Bobby Singh · May 18, 2016

Close to 300hp 2.0 CR should be possible fairly soon.

mojogoes · May 26, 2016

Nice work Rayan!! It's great to see someone (uk) picking up the baton from where Simon Cooper left off and taking it to a couple of levels on very impressive figures indeed!!

martin33100 · May 27, 2016

mojogoes said:
Nice work Rayan!! It's great to see someone (uk) picking up the baton from where Simon Cooper left off and taking it to a couple of levels on very impressive figures indeed!!

Is Simon Cooper still around?, I used him about 14 years ago when I was tuning an old mk3 diesel golf.

ryanp · Aug 19, 2016

Sorry for the lack of updates!

After lots of engine and turbo trouble (self inflicted and otherwise) we managed to cobble the Arosa together over a few days and strapped it to the dyno, couple of revisions to the tune and we managed to make 429bhp & 460Ft/Lbs on Pump Diesel and then 544bhp & 580ft/lbs with Nitrous (wheelspin so probably more) We are running over 50psi boost

https://www.facebook.com/darksidedevelopments/videos/1494138550603707/

Also to those not looking at the 1/4mile thread, we have finally done a 9.9s run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz6lKGyyfn8

We had the NOS turned down so our trap speed is lower than our best of 148.48mph. 60ft's are still 1.6xx so plenty to improve there, 1.45s would be acceptable and take is into the mid to low 9's we hope!!!

Next year i think we will be fitting a CR engine and see how that works out, we need to test parts to destruction like always!!!!

turbobrick240 · Aug 19, 2016

Damn that's fast! Congrats on breaking the 10 second mark. Can't wait to see you work your magic on the common rails.

andy2 · Aug 23, 2016

Happy to see the update Ryan.Looking forward to seeing a record breaking run.

Is the clutch slipping in that video?

A common rail would be real neat.I was looking into converting my ALH based engine to an common rail however it would be just too much money using the bosch motorsports system.Would you plan on using a vw ECU ? If I got crafter injectors and had them reworked that would be a good chunk of change to start with.

Machineman · Aug 23, 2016

why not stick with a 16v common rail

ryanp · Aug 24, 2016

I Agree, stick with the 16v CR if you are going to the effort. I think it would be wise to keep the OE ECU but maybe you would have more fun with standalone, SCS Delta looks like it fits the bill pretty well.

From feel when driving the car i would say for certain it was wheelspin rather than clutch slip (Triple plate) due to too much NOS in 4th gear too quickly, the ramp was set too fast due to giving it a tickle in 2nd gear on that run. The next run after was fine and its never slipped on the dyno.

Bobby Singh · Aug 24, 2016

Impressive time.
Any idea what the white puff is towards the end of the run?

ryanp · Aug 24, 2016

Likely off the power before i came off the NOS, it ran fine the next run but changed up early, still did a 10.1 with my best 60ft!

DkZ · Aug 24, 2016

ryanp said:
Likely off the power before i came off the NOS, it ran fine the next run but changed up early, still did a 10.1 with my best 60ft!

Almost reaching the Portuguese Polo MK1, that did 9.63sec with a 1.9 PD at Santa Pod.
i think its doing 550hp and its for sale right now...

Good project Btw !

Machineman · Aug 24, 2016

DkZ said:
Almost reaching the Portuguese Polo MK1, that did 9.63sec with a 1.9 PD at Santa Pod.
i think its doing 550hp and its for sale right now...

Good project Btw !

And is that a 8v ? If so that is amazing

Machineman · Aug 24, 2016

ryanp said:
I Agree, stick with the 16v CR if you are going to the effort. I think it would be wise to keep the OE ECU but maybe you would have more fun with standalone, SCS Delta looks like it fits the bill pretty well.

From feel when driving the car i would say for certain it was wheelspin rather than clutch slip (Triple plate) due to too much NOS in 4th gear too quickly, the ramp was set too fast due to giving it a tickle in 2nd gear on that run. The next run after was fine and its never slipped on the dyno.

Those scsc delta standalone kits look pretty good they make a plug and play kit for my smart cdi engine that im putting in a golf cart

turbovan+tdi · Aug 24, 2016

Wow, awesome. Love it.

andy2 · Aug 24, 2016

Machineman said:
why not stick with a 16v common rail

That would be an option.I thought that the cyl head could only be made to flow so much ?

ryanp said:
I Agree, stick with the 16v CR if you are going to the effort. I think it would be wise to keep the OE ECU but maybe you would have more fun with standalone, SCS Delta looks like it fits the bill pretty well.

From feel when driving the car i would say for certain it was wheelspin rather than clutch slip (Triple plate) due to too much NOS in 4th gear too quickly, the ramp was set too fast due to giving it a tickle in 2nd gear on that run. The next run after was fine and its never slipped on the dyno.

Other than some tire chirp off the line I'd say the tires appeared to be hooking well.It seemed very obvious after the 49 sec mark in the video that the engine rpm didn't change much.It sounded like it went up and down and then leveled out.Perhaps the clutch was bedding/welding in and then it gripped well after that.

DkZ · Aug 25, 2016

Machineman said:
And is that a 8v ? If so that is amazing

I dont know if it it a 8v, but that it is a beast it is...
You can look up to it on the following link:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/featur...es-fastest-fwd-diesel-the-9sec-mile-vw-polo-/

Its the fastest FWD diesel of Europe right now and its on the 28th place on the the FWD of Europe.

Layerz · Aug 25, 2016

.....VR6 Diesel conversion next? Would probably sound mean AF too.

Machineman · Aug 26, 2016

Im gonna do the vr6 diesel its already in the works but im not talking about it utill i have it running

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