Sound Off on Current Diesel Price

TornadoRed

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Japan saw the US fleet as a direct threat to their economic plans to concur neighboring countries in a attempt to guarantee uninterrupted energy supplies. Many don't know this, "Japan was allied with the US in WWI". The seeds of WWII between the US and Japan came directly out of the US challenging them over aggression to secure resources, mainly energy(OIL).
I would have to say that Japan was an ally of Great Britain, before the US entered the war. Our president Woodrow Wilson was a racist SOB who had no love for Japan and no desire to reward Japan for its role in the victory.
 

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Actually, you have missed one important point, Japan used the cry of imperial destiny as the main reason for claiming or reclaiming the lost islands and mainland China, including the Hawaiin islands. Much as many of the western wars both in Europe and the Americas were fought with the rallying cry of religion.
Those are excuses for, not the actual reasons.... They used that as an excuse for their concurring actions, but that doesn't change the fact that the real reason Japan went to war was over their need for energy(OIL).
 

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...Japan saw the US fleet as a direct threat to their economic plans to concur neighboring countries in a attempt to guarantee uninterrupted energy supplies. Many don't know this, "Japan was allied with the US in WWI". The seeds of WWII between the US and Japan came directly out of the US challenging them over aggression to secure resources, mainly energy(OIL).
We had no need for oil at the time... we had more than enough and we naively believed that it was essentially limitless.

And I will not respond to your political garbage, take it somewhere else. Posts like yours on political garbage are not allowed here. That part of your post should reported and be removed.
Sorry that you feel slighted by it... it wasn't meant for a response and it isn't politically motivated... it was factual and I have no allegiance to any politician... because not a single one is or will be worth it. I am being about as apolitical as one can get.

I am simply stating real facts of the fact that most conflicts over the last 80 years have come directly out of energy fights. Everything I have stated about the recent history are facts that can be easily confirmed.
Wars don't start because of resources... they are simply used to arouse support. Wars are started by leaders that seek dominion over others, period. Self-defense, or the defense of another, is the only rational act in war.
 

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We had no need for oil at the time... we had more than enough and we naively believed that it was essentially limitless.
Not true. The Peak Oil "experts" claimed that the world was running out of oil. For example, the Bureau of Mines reported in 1914 that US oil reserves would be exhausted by 1924. And in 1939, the Interior Department said global reserves would only last 13 years. (They were all wrong, and they still are.)
 

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Not true. The Peak Oil "experts" claimed that the world was running out of oil. For example, the Bureau of Mines reported in 1914 that US oil reserves would be exhausted by 1924. And in 1939, the Interior Department said global reserves would only last 13 years. (They were all wrong, and they still are.)
I actually went to a job info session with Schlumberger a couple years ago. Oilfield consulting and management services company for those who don't know. During the session some dude asked the recruiter about Schlumberger's plans for the future if oil is a finite resource, and the recruiter just smiled and said they're definitely planning like it is. My view - if you see a sudden jump in the petroleum industry's investment in alternative energy...be worried ;)
 

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Well, RUG dropped below 3.00 here. :( D2 at around 3.90.
That makes me sad, because historically OKC was the low price point for diesel anytime I travelled out west. I'd stop on the way out and stop in OKC on the way back, usually at one of the mega truck stops that line the outskirts of the metro area.
 

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Not true. The Peak Oil "experts" claimed that the world was running out of oil. For example, the Bureau of Mines reported in 1914 that US oil reserves would be exhausted by 1924. And in 1939, the Interior Department said global reserves would only last 13 years. (They were all wrong, and they still are.)
That was the opinion of some people, that didn't make it the sentiment of everyone. I know that exploration in Indiana yielded petroleum with natural gas resources (which is often the case). And they thought things were so plentiful that they had an eternal torch of gas that they burned because it was awe inspiring. The thing was huge. They depleted the NG well in just a few years (flambeau is the name of the torch).

"Peak oil" folks have always said we were approaching (or now, even that we have surpassed it). I am not a naysayer, but they don't have a good track record. At some point it will happen (or maybe it has). And yes... worry when "big oil" is spending big on alternatives.
 

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I constantly see references to "big oil" on this site and wonder what the folks are referring to. :confused: Is it the few large U.S. based oil companies that have over 75% of their operations in other countries or is it the largest oil companies like PDVSA, PMEX, Saudi Refining, Lukoil, etc, etc and others that are the dominant oil companies in the world? :confused:
 

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I constantly see references to "big oil" on this site and wonder what the folks are referring to. :confused: Is it the few large U.S. based oil companies that have over 75% of their operations in other countries or is it the largest oil companies like PDVSA, PMEX, Saudi Refining, Lukoil, etc, etc and others that are the dominant oil companies in the world? :confused:
A pejorative term for the 6 major oil (petroleum) companies. These companies are ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Chevron Corporation, ConocoPhillips, and Total S.A.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=big+oil
 

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A pejorative term for the 6 major oil (petroleum) companies. These companies are ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Chevron Corporation, ConocoPhillips, and Total S.A.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=big+oil
Three of which are foreign companies and the other three have majority operations outside of the U.S. As we all know, really BIG OIL are the ones I mentioned previously (along with other I did not reference) Glad you defined it so precisely...:rolleyes:
 

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"Peak Oil" is a subjective term related to knowledge and the available tech at a given time. AS time goes on tech changes and along with knowledge of what is actually in the ground. The term "Peak" in a given day is based on what the tech of the day allows to be feasibly pulled out of the ground.

We know of large deposits of energy in the ground today in Colorado (Shale oil) just to name one place that at the very least are not easily brought to market any time in the near future. That said, all known reserves in a given time are figured into estimates in a given figure of how much we have left in the ground.

When all of the above is figured in Peak Oil will likely always be a moving target. That said at some point when consumption is figured against known supply we will reach that peak point, for all I know maybe we already have.........
 

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After 30 years in the oil & gas business, many of them with a "Major", it is my opinion that the most significant advance that has led to increased reservoir oil recovery has been the advent of horizontal (and directional) drilling technology.

The next advance that has increased the ability to find oil at a higher percentage (less dry holes) has been the advent of 3D seismic technology.

Both of the above advances have made Peak Oil forecasting (U.S. only) somewhat uncertain. Also, the shale plays (Bakkan, Utica, Haynesville, Eagle Ford, etc) have been shown to be more prolific than originally estimated.
 

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We know of large deposits of energy in the ground today in Colorado (Shale oil) just to name one place that at the very least are not easily brought to market any time in the near future. That said, all known reserves in a given time are figured into estimates in a given figure of how much we have left in the ground.

When all of the above is figured in Peak Oil will likely always be a moving target. That said at some point when consumption is figured against known supply we will reach that peak point, for all I know maybe we already have.........
Peak Oil is not subjective -- the amount of global oil resources varies according to the price of oil. The higher the price, there more oil there is that can be recovered.

Each year, each US company that produces crude oil must report its reserves. The numbers go up or down each year according to the price of crude oil.
 

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D2 just dropped to 3.69 @ Murphy USA on Independance in Plano, 3.12 for RUG. Still a .50 spread? That's about a .20 drop for D2 in the last 7 days.
 

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Peak Oil is not subjective -- the amount of global oil resources varies according to the price of oil. The higher the price, there more oil there is that can be recovered.
Each year, each US company that produces crude oil must report its reserves. The numbers go up or down each year according to the price of crude oil.
Exactly. How much oil is feasibly recoverable is based on the cost-basis that would be required to recover it. If oil is only selling for $90 barrel, it doesn't make sense to recover oil that costs $90+ at the point of refinement, and actually even lower costs still wouldn't make sense until you can overcome the risk of non-recovering, poor quality, and room for profit (at this point, it is an "economic profit," at a precise definition, meaning oil is a commodity and there isn't much room for profit... just enough that individuals receive the minimal benefit for their investment dollar to enter that environment).
 

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Cape St Claire, 7/11 $3.759gl, Busch's Frontage $3.839 (Exxon and WaWa) and Highs 1/mile away is the same today. Besgate Shell B5 is $3949 cash or credit. (some times a $.06 spread, sometimes not, Can't figure them out.
 

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Here in in semi Upstate New York I'm paying $4.25 a gallon at Valero. Valero seems to offer the lowest price diesel in the area. Still higher than I would like though, but also still lower than premium in my area by about 20 cents a gallon and all my previous cars used premium fuel.

 
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In the Twin Cities, there are at least a dozen stations charging $3.99 or less for ULSD, and a lot more in the $4.01-4.03 price range. I expect a 10-15 cent drop in the next week across the metro area.

RUG prices have dropped like a stone, and now range from $3.19-3.29 most everywhere. I don't expect them to go any lower in the near future.

On the futures markets, both heating oil and RBOB gasoline for ethanol blending are in backwardization -- there is no incentive for traders or terminals to buy the current month and hold till some future point in time. So refiners will keep a close watch on inventories and they should not be expected to build up inventories during the next few weeks. But at some point, someone will start to buy the surplus gasoline and the refineries will increase their operating tempo.
 

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LOL. another oil company hater. Just ask yourself what life would be like without them. Learn to use a search engine or 2 to see why the price is what it is. Did you know that Barry just shut down 1/2 of the National Petroleum Reservere in Alaska from being drilled in?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...42863c-e57f-11e1-8741-940e3f6dbf48_story.html

without them ? we just nationalize them. venezuela and russia are doing OK with semi nationalized oil and gas companies. I don't agree with socialism but I also disagree with uncontrolled capiltalism.
the oil companies are not at fault , wall street is. everybody from oil companies to saudis have been blaming the speculators. printing dollars too , does not help
 

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without them ? we just nationalize them. venezuela and russia are doing OK with semi nationalized oil and gas companies. I don't agree with socialism but I also disagree with uncontrolled capiltalism.
the oil companies are not at fault , wall street is. everybody from oil companies to saudis have been blaming the speculators. printing dollars too , does not help
The Venezuelan oil industry is in big trouble, because the government has not invested in any aspect of oil production or refining. The only reason it still has an industry is because of investments made by privately owned companies before they were nationalized.

Russia has lured in private investors, then ripped them off when it was convenient. Russia is a very risky place to do business, but there is so much oil and gas there that at least some people find it worth the risk.

When you suggest nationalizing oil companies in the US, do you mean all of the hundreds or thousands of individual companies? Or would you just make it impossible for them to operate? It sure seems like your suggestion would lead to the end of the oil industry, not immediately but gradually over a couple decades.

If the government owned the oil industry, and Congress had to decide between 1) investing in exploration, production, refining and pipeline construction, or 2) supporting Social Security and Medicare, what do you think it would do? Actually, I think your answer to that question would be the same as mine.
 

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The Venezuelan oil industry is in big trouble, because the government has not invested in any aspect of oil production or refining. The only reason it still has an industry is because of investments made by privately owned companies before they were nationalized.

Russia has lured in private investors, then ripped them off when it was convenient. Russia is a very risky place to do business, but there is so much oil and gas there that at least some people find it worth the risk.

When you suggest nationalizing oil companies in the US, do you mean all of the hundreds or thousands of individual companies? Or would you just make it impossible for them to operate? It sure seems like your suggestion would lead to the end of the oil industry, not immediately but gradually over a couple decades.

If the government owned the oil industry, and Congress had to decide between 1) investing in exploration, production, refining and pipeline construction, or 2) supporting Social Security and Medicare, what do you think it would do? Actually, I think your answer to that question would be the same as mine.
I will not comment on the current health of the Venezuelan oil companies but I will say that they have been investing in oil production and drilling. how do I know this? PDVSA purchased a huge number of compressors from my company to build new FPSO vessels used for production of oil and gas. so to say they have zero investment is not true. just saying.
 

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Paid $3.56 today in Lake Wylie. Rug was $3.09. Looks like rug may be under $3.00 before Thanksgiving. Hopefully D2 will come down to around 3. Feel sorry for those in the Northeast facing Sandy but at least that one is not screwing up the oil and fuel supplies in the Gulf.
 

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I will not comment on the current health of the Venezuelan oil companies but I will say that they have been investing in oil production and drilling. how do I know this? PDVSA purchased a huge number of compressors from my company to build new FPSO vessels used for production of oil and gas. so to say they have zero investment is not true. just saying.
Zero investment may not be correct but it has been on the news over the last month that the profits and money intended for raises of the state run oil company were being used for campaigning for Vascez's return to office.
 

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Here in Nevada the local Chevron had it at $4.17 and down the street at the Esso station it was $4.07
 

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I've seen $3.68 for diesel in the Greenville, SC area this week.
 

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Just paid $2.99 for rug to fill the truck. D2 was $3.59 in Lake Wylie, SC. My first thought was to do a happy dance about gas coming back under $3, but then realized what I should be really thinking. Gas at $2.99 is still high and adding 50 cents for diesel is even worse. I really need to teach my daughter how to dirve the manual truck so I can have my JSW back!
 

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Several stations here the last couple days have dropped RUG 20-30 cents to $3.19-$3.29/gal. Diesel unchanged at $3.79-$3.83
 

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Regular's hovering around $3.199-3.299 here as well, while diesel is $3.779-3.999.

The only two Texaco stations in my immediate area have the audacity to charge $4.199 for diesel. :mad:
 
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