Torque Arm Inserts Experiences

chefmateo · Mar 11, 2013

I have been considering adding this relatively inexpensive mod to aid with wheel hop I experience regularly since going Stage 2. My concerns are vibration. Most reviews were from GTI owners who experienced significant vibration in reverse & neutral. I would guess that a TDI motor would be 100x's worse in that regard, since they kind of have a natural "purr" already. Anyone have any experience with these torque arm inserts..do they help? and does the vibration mellow out over time?

mckpat03 · Mar 12, 2013

BFI has their stage 1 thats only 65a or something, which they say shouldn't really add any NVH. I recently purchased it and hope to install it in the coming days/weeks.

As for actual experience, I have none.

1.9glstdi · Mar 19, 2013

dont go stage 2 lol if you like your interior panels been there done that.

mckpat03 · Mar 19, 2013

BFI actually specifically advised me not to buy the stage 2 insert. FWIW.

streeker02 · Mar 20, 2013

mckpat03 said:
BFI actually specifically advised me not to buy the stage 2 insert. FWIW.

+1, if you are even asking about a vibration concern, stage 2 is not for you.

1.9glstdi · Mar 21, 2013

yea i go them about 3-4 years ago(my stage 2's when they werehaving problems with there stage 1 cracking they said they fixed it now but customer service is good. i would go with a stiffer rubber one if i were to do it again probably this http://www.kermatdi.com/servlet/the-259/Bushings,-Mounts/Detail

and its still not that expensive.

streeker02 · Mar 23, 2013

1.9glstdi said:
yea i go them about 3-4 years ago(my stage 2's when they werehaving problems with there stage 1 cracking they said they fixed it now but customer service is good. i would go with a stiffer rubber one if i were to do it again probably this http://www.kermatdi.com/servlet/the-259/Bushings,-Mounts/Detail

and its still not that expensive.

034 mounts are garbage.

1.9glstdi · Mar 23, 2013

damn good to know i was looking at the cause they were rubber. Well there is a mod were you just cut up truck mud flaps and insert them to increase stiffness, just cut it insert it behind the stock rubber mount smash it back together?

bhutchins · Mar 25, 2013

Chef has a mkVI, so BFI inserts have good history, just a bit of vibration when first installed

anyone have experience on the 034 bushing? (034 left, factory right)

link

1.9glstdi · Mar 25, 2013

looks two post's up "034 mounts are garbage."

bhutchins · Mar 26, 2013

1.9glstdi said:
looks two post's up "034 mounts are garbage."

those are different than the MkIV ones known for failure

mckpat03 · Mar 30, 2013

I just wanted to report back. I got my BFI stage 1 insert in today. It is so amazing. The shifts are so firm and crisp. There's no slop at all anymore. It was worth every penny, and all the install trouble, and then some. It's seriously one of my best mods so far. If for some reason happen to get another MKV or MK6, it will be absolutely be the very first thing I do.

gregprep29 · Apr 8, 2013

^^^^ agreed, torque arm insert is my favorite mod for VW's. best $35-40 you can spend

chefmateo · Apr 9, 2013

@mckpat03
can you send me that part number or link..thanks. How is the vibration when idle & going in reverse? Do you drive 6spd or DSG?

mckpat03 · Apr 10, 2013

Yeah, no problem. I have a 6 speed. This link should take you to the part: BFI Stage 1 Torque Arm Insert ('09+)

1972SS454 · Apr 15, 2013

Black Forest Industries Dog bone Inserts are a 70 durometer for Stage 1 and 90 for stage 2. Powerflex makes a 65, 70, and 80 Durometer inserts, shown here: http://powerflexusa.com/golfmk62009.aspx

Dog bone insert alone will not eliminate the wheel hop by its self, but it is definitely well worth the money.

I have an 09 Jetta TDI (some mods listed below) which I have also installed the BFI stage 1 dog bone insert, Powerflex 80 dur. dog bone front bushing, BFI stage 1 trans mount insert, and BFI stage 1 Engine mount.

^With those I was able to squeeze out a 14.98 1/4 mile.

PM me if you have questions.

evolDiesel · Nov 20, 2015

Does anybody with a MKVI have a recommendation for one of these? Which one? Did added vibration subside over time? Manufacturer and part number would be good. The last one I ordered from Australia didn't fit my 2011 Sportwagen. Thanks.

1972SS454 · Nov 21, 2015

This is the softest available http://powerflexusa.com/volkswagengolfmodelslowerenginemountinsertlargediesel-pff85-704r-1.aspx

Next softest http://store.blackforestindustries.com/bfitoarmin091.html

Both fit mk6.

evolDiesel · Nov 21, 2015

1972SS454 said:
This is the softest available http://powerflexusa.com/volkswagengolfmodelslowerenginemountinsertlargediesel-pff85-704r-1.aspx

Next softest http://store.blackforestindustries.com/bfitoarmin091.html

Both fit mk6.

Wow - thanks for the info! I just ordered up the BFI insert. I'm hoping the vibration subsides a little once it's broken in. The funny thing is after I installed the DieselGeek Sigma Six, it's hard to imagine my shifts being any "crisper", but I see a lot of guys raving about this modification so in my endless pursuit of TDI perfection, I must give it a try.

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Ol'Rattler · Nov 27, 2015

https://www.ecstuning.com/Search/SiteSearch/Dog_Bone/ES251901/

This is what I went with. Is an improvement over OEM and vibration is not an issue. IDK about wheel hop because I'm not a boy racer so much.

I have never been a fan of that American Celebration of Ignorance called Drag Racing.

evolDiesel · Dec 17, 2015

I just did the BFI 70A. Power and shifting feels much more direct. Vibration at idle is like a big rig and it's brutally bad in reverse. I hear it gets better after 5k miles. We'll see. I think it's worth keeping.

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