Lolas Dad
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A real world fuel mileage test between the three cars mentioned above. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjmARPMXaY
Three different sized and capable cars. Tiny, small, and useable hatchback.A real world fuel mileage test between the three cars mentioned above. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjmARPMXaY
Excellent point! With millions of miles logged the latest Prius still manages to beat the latest Passat TDI with the 'average score' being ~ 47 MPG vs. ~ 40 MPG.Go to fuelly and look at combined mpg of the cars. The graph should show you what the average mpg for each vehicle.
I think its fair to say that the mpg of the prius has been slowly improving whereas the mpg of the TDIs have been slowly getting worse with every generation. If you go back to the era of the ALHs the TDIs were on parity or even slightly better.... the latest Prius still manages to beat the latest Passat TDI ...
You might be surprised.Three different sized and capable cars. Tiny, small, and useable hatchback.
Golf link should filter by diesel (since the discussion has been about TDIs):IMO, they're all small compact cars. (But then, I'm 6'4" (191cm), so I may be biased.)
Here's the fuelly pages for the Prius (http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius), Golf (http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/golf), and Fiesta (http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/fiesta).
If anybody is generous and wants to buy me an Excursion, here's the fuelly for that too - http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/excursion
What a shame that the Golf TDI sold in North America manages to barely get to 40 MPG on average. Smaller car than the Passat TDI and yet a pity of 40 MPG!Golf link should filter by diesel (since the discussion has been about TDIs):
http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/golf/diesel l4
Yes, the cars in Europe do get better MPG's, but at the expense of performance. Smaller engines, and lowered acceleration and such in the American market simply don't sell as well.My understanding is that the Golf Blumotion (sp.?) in Europe and other parts of the world gets AT LEAST 50 MPG!
I've read often that automakers will sell cars in Europe/Asia/SA/Africa which are far more fuel-efficient. However, because they're deemed "under-powered" for the American market, they never bring them here.Yes, the cars in Europe do get better MPG's, but at the expense of performance. Smaller engines, and lowered acceleration and such in the American market simply don't sell as well.
Euro mileage is quoted in miles per imperial gallon, which is 1.2 US gallons. So a UK magazine saying 50mpg is equivalent to 41.6mpg in the US.My understanding is that the Golf Blumotion (sp.?) in Europe and other parts of the world gets AT LEAST 50 MPG!
The other thing you need to watch out for is that the NEDC test gives much higher mpg figures than the (post-2008) EPA test. IMHO the EPA test underestimates diesel mpg, whereas the NEDC overestimates MPG. A lot of the diesel superminis being discussed have NEDC test scores in the area of 75-85mpg(imp). So even if the imperial gallons -> us gallons conversion has been done, the figures can't be compared.Euro mileage is quoted in miles per imperial gallon, which is 1.2 US gallons. So a UK magazine saying 50mpg is equivalent to 41.6mpg in the US.
Getting well over 40 MPG here. My worst mileage was during a high speed run to and from Las Vegas and even that was over 40 (barely).What a shame that the Golf TDI sold in North America manages to barely get to 40 MPG on average. Smaller car than the Passat TDI and yet a pity of 40 MPG!
Yes I know I know the emissions technology is different, etc. But come on, you pay somewhere in the mid 20's K dollars and this is what you get. What a pity.
My understanding is that the Golf Blumotion (sp.?) in Europe and other parts of the world gets AT LEAST 50 MPG!
Hmmm. I know my 2011 JSW 6MT is not quite as fuel efficient as some of the older TDIs. However - pity was not the word that came to mind last night when I drove home from BWI airport at 11PM. 116 miles, the last 60 with the CC set to 75MPH. Up and over the Blue Ridge with power to spare; no downshifting. Passed lots of cars. Rolled into home with the computer reading 47.5 MPG. Lifetime average over 38K miles on Fuelly thus far - 43.4 MPG.What a shame that the Golf TDI sold in North America manages to barely get to 40 MPG on average. Smaller car than the Passat TDI and yet a pity of 40 MPG!
Yes I know I know the emissions technology is different, etc. But come on, you pay somewhere in the mid 20's K dollars and this is what you get. What a pity.
My understanding is that the Golf Blumotion (sp.?) in Europe and other parts of the world gets AT LEAST 50 MPG!
Same here! In fact, my first car was going to be a 1973 VW Superbeetle. However, I could not physically fit behind the wheel when I was 14, so my mom decided to sell at that time. I ended up driving her '84 Oldsmobile Cutlass.I agree, you have to keep up here on the road or suffer. I struggle with the smaller more affordable cars, I am 6'4" and long legged. I do need some comfort which tends to translate into more money.
The other thing you need to watch out for is that the NEDC test gives much higher mpg figures than the (post-2008) EPA test. IMHO the EPA test underestimates diesel mpg, whereas the NEDC overestimates MPG. A lot of the diesel superminis being discussed have NEDC test scores in the area of 75-85mpg(imp). So even if the imperial gallons -> us gallons conversion has been done, the figures can't be compared.
The current NEDC test is a lot like the pre-2008 EPA test.
Having said that, I would expect the Polo bluemotion to get something like 65-70mpg(imp) in real-world driving, which would be in the 50-55mpg(us) area, but it's NEDC test figure is 80mpg(imp). So I think Tikal has already done the imperial->us conversion in his post.