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Old September 13th, 2018, 15:46   #31
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Old September 13th, 2018, 15:49   #32
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According to Vincentric, most diesel cars and SUVs are cost-effective compared to the gasoline versions of the same vehicles:





Ironically, none of the diesel pickup trucks are now cost-effective vs. the gasoline versions due mostly to the very high premium of the diesel engines - https://www.vincentric.com/Home/Indu...iesel-Analysis

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Old September 13th, 2018, 15:52   #33
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Old September 13th, 2018, 16:04   #34
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Okay, image shrunk. Original image available at https://www.vincentric.com/portals/0...0effective.jpg

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Old September 13th, 2018, 23:05   #35
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Re-certifying to the new WLTP standards is pushing smaller players out of Diesel in Europe IMHO.
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Old September 14th, 2018, 09:15   #36
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Cars: The Equinoxe and the Buick Envision version use the same Opel 1.6L engine used in the Cruze, IIRC. The engine supposedly has been around a while and has already proven itself in Europe to be a solid engine.

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Ford F-150 3.0L "Baby PowerStroke"

Doesn't Jag offer their diesel in a sedan still?
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Doesn't Jag offer their diesel in a sedan still?
They do, in the XE and XF for now... who knows how much longer that'll last. If the take rate isn't there for mercedes and BMW diesel, I doubt it is for JAG as they don't sell many gasser XE and XF to begin with, let alone diesel...

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Old September 14th, 2018, 15:05   #38
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If you are looking at SUV sized vehicles then a light duty diesel vehicle is going to come ahead of a gasoline hybrid one not matter how you look at it:

* Environmentally: refer to GREET model and helpful posts from wxman
* Range/Effciency
* Performance: torque to get your large vehicle + load moving nicely
* Alternative fuel: in scenarios of natural disasters, for evacuation purposes, you might have better availability of diesel vs gasoline
* Anything else?

Of course for strictly city driving (let's say around 100 miles a day) then an EV is the way to go (no need for an SUV).
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If you are looking at SUV sized vehicles then a light duty diesel vehicle is going to come ahead of a gasoline hybrid one not matter how you look at it:

* Environmentally: refer to GREET model and helpful posts from wxman
* Range/Effciency
* Performance: torque to get your large vehicle + load moving nicely
* Alternative fuel: in scenarios of natural disasters, for evacuation purposes, you might have better availability of diesel vs gasoline
* Anything else?

Of course for strictly city driving (let's say around 100 miles a day) then an EV is the way to go (no need for an SUV).
I agree, an SUV diesel still makes sense, especially considering most of these premium brand SUVs take premium fuel and guzzle like no tomorrow

However, you still need to do the math on initial purchasing cost, average miles per year, fuel cost per year and depreciation to see how fast you will recoup the money. Diesel SUVs typically have much higher initial purchase cost then the equivalent gasser
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I agree, an SUV diesel still makes sense, especially considering most of these premium brand SUVs take premium fuel and guzzle like no tomorrow
However, you still need to do the math on initial purchasing cost, average miles per year, fuel cost per year and depreciation to see how fast you will recoup the money. Diesel SUVs typically have much higher initial purchase cost then the equivalent gasser
No doubt. You have to do the cost/benefit analysis. But if you are considering a gasoline hybrid SUV vs a diesel one then I think the diesel one will be a better value overall taking into account that both vehicles will have a premium to pay.
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According to Vincentric, most diesel cars and SUVs are cost-effective compared to the gasoline versions of the same vehicles:


Ironically, none of the diesel pickup trucks are now cost-effective vs. the gasoline versions due mostly to the very high premium of the diesel engines - https://www.vincentric.com/Home/Indu...iesel-Analysis
Way to spin the date Vincentric. They didn't publish the results for the trucks because it makes diesel look bad. In reading the details, they say that the primary reason the diesel truck have higher cost of ownership is the higher maintenance costs. It would be nice if they shared those numbers.
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