I just got in from a trip to pick up 8 drums and a 15 gal cube. I dumped the 15 gal in my Duramax. Could not tell any difference on power comming back mileage went up to 17.2 loaded from 16.5 pulling the empty 3k lb trailer. If you guys are interested the labels had the producers name and web page.
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Lightflyer1
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Post it now please! TIA.
Lightflyer1
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That is about a 2 year supply for me. Glad to hear the mpg went up. That is what I want to happen for me.
sebring96hbg
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Please post it. I am guessing Syntroleum's Catoosa demonstration facility, if not Shell.LGV2001 said:
I just went out to the truck with flash light and all I could find were the new Hyperfuel labels. Yesterday when loading I thought I saw the manufacturing data.
Another short note on hauling 55 gal drums. This is a HAZMAT material with a Flammable liquid ration of 3 (high flam) and there are many rules on transporting it. The Syn comes in 55 gal. plastic drums(23"X35") and you need a trailer with tall side boards to keep them from flying forward when you stop. I covered my 8 drums, secured them and hoped the DOT/HP did not stop me.
Another short note on hauling 55 gal drums. This is a HAZMAT material with a Flammable liquid ration of 3 (high flam) and there are many rules on transporting it. The Syn comes in 55 gal. plastic drums(23"X35") and you need a trailer with tall side boards to keep them from flying forward when you stop. I covered my 8 drums, secured them and hoped the DOT/HP did not stop me.
How 'bout a form of a GB where groups buy 5-10-how many
drums and have them shipped to "central" locations around
the States. And the "selected" picker-uppers show up with the
U-Hauls and load the drums and off to the local GTG.
If I could get SynDiesel at something slightly more than B20
(in Indy, it's $4.29/gallon), I'd sacrifice some dining out money
to buy a few drums. I already have a AC-powered diesel pump
for fueling the Deere and the Grasshopper. The Deere requires lifting
the 5-gallon can up over the hood (chest high) to fill the tank. When you get
older, upper body strength drops like other bodily parts.
I could see the Bay Area guys; the DC folks; the Cinci guys; and
so forth going for this.
Thanks to DBW for the shipping info/idea.
Cheers,
Lonnie
drums and have them shipped to "central" locations around
the States. And the "selected" picker-uppers show up with the
U-Hauls and load the drums and off to the local GTG.
If I could get SynDiesel at something slightly more than B20
(in Indy, it's $4.29/gallon), I'd sacrifice some dining out money
to buy a few drums. I already have a AC-powered diesel pump
for fueling the Deere and the Grasshopper. The Deere requires lifting
the 5-gallon can up over the hood (chest high) to fill the tank. When you get
older, upper body strength drops like other bodily parts.
I could see the Bay Area guys; the DC folks; the Cinci guys; and
so forth going for this.
Thanks to DBW for the shipping info/idea.
Cheers,
Lonnie
Lightflyer1
Top Post Dawg
Let us know how it works in the Golf. Thanks for the PM!LGV2001 said:
sebring96hbg
Well-known member
Hey! Let us know if you get close to 70 mpg 
I am looking forward to user reports...
http://www.syntroleum.com/tech_fuel_tests.aspx
I am looking forward to user reports...http://www.syntroleum.com/tech_fuel_tests.aspx
TurbinePower
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If some folks in any of the Cities around me (Atlanta, Asheville, Charlotte, Columbia, and so on...) want to do this, I'm game. I've got a "forklift" too. Well, a Bobcat with some forks and a weight kit on the back end, picks up some pretty hefty loads.
40X40
Experienced
Anyone driving through Kansas City that can drop off a 55 gal. drum? Your costs will be covered and dinner is on me.
It shouldn't be too hard to roll a drum off a trailer or out of a pickup. Much easier than a a semi.
Bill
It shouldn't be too hard to roll a drum off a trailer or out of a pickup. Much easier than a a semi.
Bill
retmil46
Well-known member
I'm 25 miles north of Charlotte, myself and another Jeep CRD owner in Charlotte are willing to give it a try, depending on what the details work out ot be.TurbinePower said:
Gent in Charlotte mentioned an idea - see if they would ship by rail to the nearest terminal, and then pick it up there.
I put a note over on TDR, in the SC Chapter Roundtable thread, to see if any of the Cummins owners are interested in a group buy.
Volkstraktor
Veteran Member
It all sounded good until I went to their website and found out they are affiliated with Haliburton.
sebring96hbg
Well-known member
Haliburton was hired to handle its investor relations. It is not owned by Haliburton.Volkstraktor said:It all sounded good until I went to their website and found out they are affiliated with Haliburton.
40X40
Experienced
Volkstraktor said:It all sounded good until I went to their website and found out they are affiliated with Haliburton.
And that makes a difference to you? Really?
I'll deal with them, or at least try. The problem is transportation costs for me.
Bill
Lightflyer1
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Maybe you can make our May GTG in Kingsbury at an old WWI type antique airport. Stop by Houston (not far) on the way in or out. Pictures here of our last one:
http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z73/lightflyer1/GTG_Kingsbury/?start=all
Event here:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=197676
http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z73/lightflyer1/GTG_Kingsbury/?start=all
Event here:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=197676
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robbinsresort
Veteran Member
You mean Kingsbury, right?
Granbury is SW of Fort Worth.
-Chris
Granbury is SW of Fort Worth.
-Chris
Lightflyer1
Top Post Dawg
Thanks! Edited post for error.
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Dont buy it if you are thinking fuel economy improvement..Ain't gonna happen...
Its all about clean, with very low if any sulfur content, which concerns me about lubricity...
The smell is sweet...
I am very cautious to the lubricity angle, as it is very clean burning..
POWER IS SSSSMMMOOOOTTTHHH!!! The engine runs like it was designed to, No excessive clank it tee-clank. engine smoothed out, NO more Rough idle or stumble...
Quieter, jumps higher, runs overall better..I like it...
Its all about clean, with very low if any sulfur content, which concerns me about lubricity...
The smell is sweet...
I am very cautious to the lubricity angle, as it is very clean burning..
POWER IS SSSSMMMOOOOTTTHHH!!! The engine runs like it was designed to, No excessive clank it tee-clank. engine smoothed out, NO more Rough idle or stumble...
Quieter, jumps higher, runs overall better..I like it...
Sootman
Veteran Member
It's a common misconception but sulfur is not and does not lubricate.Mach1 said:
"Sulfur is not a lubricant, however the process used to reduce the Sulfur also reduces the fuel's lubricating properties. Lubricity is a measure of the fuel's ability to lubricate and protect the various parts of the engine's fuel injection system from wear. The processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also removes naturally-occurring lubricity agents in diesel fuel. To manage this change ASTM International (formerly the American Society for Testing and Materials) adopted the lubricity specification defined in ASTM D975 for all diesel fuels and this standard went into effect January 1, 2005. [8]
The refining process that removes the sulfur also reduces the aromatic content and density of the fuel, resulting in a minor decrease in the energy content, by about 1%. This decrease in energy content may result in reduced peak power and fuel economy".
I think this is where the confusion comes in. Its the process of removing sulfur that reduces the lubricity of the fuel not the sulfur itself. Apparently there are lots of replenish the lubricating qualities of the fuel after the sulfur has been taken out. This information came from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-low_sulfur_diesel
And to be fair it was for D2, but I also found the process of making synthetic diesel from natural gas results in a loss of lubricity too.
IndigoBlueWagon
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I think a 50% syndiesel, 30% dino, 20% bio would be an ideal track day blend. High cetane, high lubricity, btus from dino, and low smoke.
sebring96hbg
Well-known member
IndigoBlueWagon said:
Hiperfuels claim that its Syndiesel has 20,500 more BTUs per pound than dino diesel. That said, dino diesel should have about 19,000 BTUs per pound. If the claims are true, then Syndiesel would have twice the energy content as dino diesel on a per pound basis. Alternatively, Syndiesel may also be twice as efficient, but more conversion data is needed to compare gallons to gallons of both.
I do not know what GTL Mach1 is using since efficiency is mentioned. It could be a blend.
greenskeeper
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If that is true then mpgs should be through the roof compared to D2?!
I just made my first road trip using hyperfuels Syndiesel. Mileage on my 2001 Golf, stock except for race pipe, flowmaster mufler, Spring 529's, amsoil bypass filter, and clutch upgrade remains 54 ish doing 70-75 cruise and A/C running.
I am running about a 50/50 D2/GTL mix. The engine runs smoother and by seat of the pants seems quicker.
I am running about a 50/50 D2/GTL mix. The engine runs smoother and by seat of the pants seems quicker.
Mach
I too am concerned with the lubricity of the Syndiesel. I have been using heavy dose of PS.
The main concern I have with the Syn is the lack of information avaliable from Hyperfuels. I asked where the fuel came from and the only response was "its made somewhere north of here."
They only claim it that is a diesel addittive. They do not charge the road use tax which is also a plus.
Another item is saw at Hyper was canola based biodiesel and my next load I am going to pick up a drum of it for the lubricity.
I too am concerned with the lubricity of the Syndiesel. I have been using heavy dose of PS.
The main concern I have with the Syn is the lack of information avaliable from Hyperfuels. I asked where the fuel came from and the only response was "its made somewhere north of here."
They only claim it that is a diesel addittive. They do not charge the road use tax which is also a plus.
Another item is saw at Hyper was canola based biodiesel and my next load I am going to pick up a drum of it for the lubricity.