2014 Jetta TDI to get IRS

torontostreetsweeper · May 8, 2013

Link below:

http://jayscarblog.com/2014-jetta-tdi-sedan-to-get-upgrades/

darrelld · May 8, 2013

Its about time, one of the few reasons I could see for the Jetta Hybrid over the TDI is solved.

truman · May 8, 2013

torontostreetsweeper said:
Link below:

http://jayscarblog.com/2014-jetta-tdi-sedan-to-get-upgrades/

Important link at the bottom: http://jayscarblog.com/new-tdi-engine-is-coming-but-not-anytime-soon/

RLS1400 · May 8, 2013

I'm wondering if the engine changes coming in late 2014 will include the SCR/urea aftertreatment system that is on the Passat. My guess would be a yes, since the article mentions improved MPG and emissions.

wbclassics · May 9, 2013

I find this infuriating as a relatively new owner (mid-March 2013) of a 2013 TDI Premium. The rear IRS upgrade would have been a major reason for me to wait for the 2014s.

Something very similar happened after I bought my 2002 Jetta 1.8T new, which was the 150hp gas 1.8T. A few months later it gets announced that 2003 and forward models would have an uprated 180hp 1.8T. That difference was substantial enough that I ended up trading the 2002 back in and ordering a 2003.

pdt165 · May 9, 2013

wbclassics said:
I find this infuriating as a relatively new owner (mid-March 2013) of a 2013 TDI Premium. The rear IRS upgrade would have been a major reason for me to wait for the 2014s.

Something very similar happened after I bought my 2002 Jetta 1.8T new, which was the 150hp gas 1.8T. A few months later it gets announced that 2003 and forward models would have an uprated 180hp 1.8T. That difference was substantial enough that I ended up trading the 2002 back in and ordering a 2003.

All of the reasons you bought your car are still true. You could always get a better one by either spending more money or waiting for more time. But you didnt, no reason to kick yourself for it.

bmwM5power · May 9, 2013

what is irs?

tactdi · May 9, 2013

Independent Rear Suspension.

The current Jetta in TDI form has a rear beam suspension. I think the current Jetta GLI has IRS.

The 2005.5 - 2010 Jettas (prior body style) have IRS.

With IRS in 2014, I would consider upgrading to a 2014. Was holding back due to the suspension, and had on the short list the Passat (but it is a bigger car, the Jetta is just the right size for what I need).

truman · May 9, 2013

I'm wondering if the IRS frees up some room for Ad Blue?

oilhammer · May 9, 2013

Great, so they'll be even MORE expensive!

IndigoBlueWagon · May 9, 2013

I was talking with mrchill this morning and said if the Jetta TDI had IRS and the new engine with Urea I'd think about swapping my Golf for one. Maybe that will happen.

bennybmn · May 9, 2013

wbclassics said:
I find this infuriating as a relatively new owner (mid-March 2013) of a 2013 TDI Premium. The rear IRS upgrade would have been a major reason for me to wait for the 2014s.

Something very similar happened after I bought my 2002 Jetta 1.8T new, which was the 150hp gas 1.8T. A few months later it gets announced that 2003 and forward models would have an uprated 180hp 1.8T. That difference was substantial enough that I ended up trading the 2002 back in and ordering a 2003.

Same thing happened when I got my '01 GLX VR6. Literally a month later I read in a magazine the GLI was coming out with the 24V VR6, 6 speed, and more HP.

oilhammer · May 9, 2013

It is comical how so many assume newer = better. It doesn't always.

IndigoBlueWagon · May 9, 2013

No, but getting rid of the more complex emissions programming and potential for IC icing is a good thing. I don't think any of this will impact HPFP reliability, but I also don't think it's as big an issue as others say.

And I do ask myself why I'd want a Jetta VI when my '97 B4 runs great, gets 48 MPG like clockwork, and is much less fussy about what fuel goes in it.

soot1 · May 9, 2013

IndigoBlueWagon said:
I was talking with mrchill this morning and said if the Jetta TDI had IRS and the new engine with Urea I'd think about swapping my Golf for one. Maybe that will happen.

Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't the 2012 Golf actually have independent rear suspension, as opposed to the 2011+ Jettas? If I'm not mistaken, the Golfs are still made in Wolfsburg, right?

Oberkanone · May 9, 2013

Golf

soot1 said:
Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't the 2012 Golf actually have independent rear suspension, as opposed to the 2011+ Jettas? If I'm not mistaken, the Golfs are still made in Wolfsburg, right?

No more Wolfsburg Golf or GTI for North America. Production has ended. 2015 Golf and GTI production commences in Puebla, Mexico sometime in first half of 2014.

IRS on current Golf.

darrelld · May 9, 2013

When I purchased my MKV Jetta TDI they had a 2011 Jetta sitting right beside it on the showroom. Knowing there was no IRS on the 2011 model made my purchase decision easy, I drove home in the MKV.

If I wanted something without IRS I would buy a Mustang.

mhouck · May 9, 2013

IRS is pretty freakin' cool, but totally weak on the 8HP bump.

http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2014-mazda-6-sedan-first-drive-review

Mazda's diesel will be 173 hp and 300 lb-ft!

IndigoBlueWagon · May 9, 2013

In a larger car, automatic only.

oilhammer · May 9, 2013

But no "urethra"

IndigoBlueWagon · May 9, 2013

No, just that lovely rising crankcase oil level.

mhouck · May 10, 2013

IndigoBlueWagon said:
In a larger car, automatic only.

A co-worker has a 6, and its really not any bigger than my TDI. As far as the automatic thing goes, I'd say a vast majority of TDI's and folks interested in this range of cars is probably going that direction.

pdt165 · May 10, 2013

mhouck said:
A co-worker has a 6, and its really not any bigger than my TDI. As far as the automatic thing goes, I'd say a vast majority of TDI's and folks interested in this range of cars is probably going that direction.

One big draw for me to VW and the TDI was the fact that it came in a manual. When shopping I went to many different dealers and only came across 2 other manuals out there. ( tried ford, honda, toyota and nissan)

mhouck · May 10, 2013

pdt165 said:
One big draw for me to VW and the TDI was the fact that it came in a manual. When shopping I went to many different dealers and only came across 2 other manuals out there. ( tried ford, honda, toyota and nissan)

Oh yea, I definitely understand. Just would have been nice to see a 200 hp TDI

IndigoBlueWagon · May 10, 2013

mhouck said:
As far as the automatic thing goes, I'd say a vast majority of TDI's and folks interested in this range of cars is probably going that direction.

Doubtful. You'd be surprised at how many people are buying Passat TDIs with the manual, even though they'd rather not give up the sunroof.

bennybmn · May 10, 2013

Try finding one used! Next to impossible.

bennybmn · May 10, 2013

mhouck said:
A co-worker has a 6, and its really not any bigger than my TDI. As far as the automatic thing goes, I'd say a vast majority of TDI's and folks interested in this range of cars is probably going that direction.

What year 6? They've grown...

soot1 · May 10, 2013

IndigoBlueWagon said:
In a larger car, automatic only.

Did Mazda make it official that there will be no manual transmission available with the diesel engine?

KITEWAGON · May 10, 2013

soot1 said:
Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't the 2012 Golf actually have independent rear suspension, as opposed to the 2011+ Jettas? If I'm not mistaken, the Golfs are still made in Wolfsburg, right?

Yes, the Golf has IRS. I think IBW is interested in the new Jetta if it has the urea injection rather than the DPF, etc. In other words he'd make the swap based on the emission controls, not the suspension change.

bennybmn · May 10, 2013

soot1 said:
Did Mazda make it official that there will be no manual transmission available with the diesel engine?

I read that at least initially it's auto only.

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