VW Unveils 2015 Golf TDI

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promises 170 horsepower, 184-pound-feet torque routed through either a manual or automatic transmissions.

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The company says this is equal in power and has seven additional pound-feet torque over the conventional 2.5-liter five cylinder
***? Where'd our torque go?

EDIT: Upon further review, this looks like a typo. Most Euro sites are claiming around 190HP/280ft lbs. Detuned slightly for the US it's probably 170/280.
 
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***? Where'd our torque go?

EDIT: Upon further review, this looks like a typo. Most Euro sites are claiming around 190HP/280ft lbs. Detuned slightly for the US it's probably 170/280.

That looks like the figures for the new gas 1.8T (the 170hp, 184tq). The new diesel should be 150hp/236tq if I read it right.
 

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I was at NY auto show yesterday. Unfortunately, they had the Golf TDI roped off so the public couldn't see the car up close. The info there said 150hp/236tq. They also had a cutaway of the 7 speed DSG.
 

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I just want to know if the manual is still an option (it really should be, but I have seen no mention of it). Also, since production is moving to mexico, is the interior going to be redone with the same crappy hard plastics as the Jetta?

Maybe the cheapening of the interior is why they wouldnt let anyone near it...
 

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I just want to know if the manual is still an option (it really should be, but I have seen no mention of it). Also, since production is moving to mexico, is the interior going to be redone with the same crappy hard plastics as the Jetta?

Maybe the cheapening of the interior is why they wouldnt let anyone near it...
The current one is over priced v the market. Building in Mexico, rather than the Motherland is one part of the solution.
 

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I just want to know if the manual is still an option (it really should be, but I have seen no mention of it). Also, since production is moving to mexico, is the interior going to be redone with the same crappy hard plastics as the Jetta?

Maybe the cheapening of the interior is why they wouldnt let anyone near it...
What kind of content the car gets has nothing to do with the country it is made in. It has to do with the market it will be sold in.
 
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I had also read that sometime next year they'll be unveiling the GTD for stateside release as a 2015 model. Here's hoping.
 

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What kind of content the car gets has nothing to do with the country it is made in. It has to do with the market it will be sold in.
First, my thanks to ezshift5 and 03_01_TDI.

Apparently some people cannot make inferences... so I will spell it out: The Jetta got, what in my opinion, is a crappier interior, consisting of hard plastics, when production moved to Mexico (for extra clarity: that has nothing to do with the people assembling the Jetta, but everything to do with a shift at VW to cutting costs by all means available to them, even if it is in detriment to the overall quality of the vehicle). On top of that, they would not let people close enough to the new car to touch the interior... Those combined to the implication in my question, which was that the interior may not be as nice as the current model...

Additionally, do I even need to ask what market the Jetta that is bought in the US is sold in???
 
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First, my thanks to ezshift5 and 03_01_TDI.

Apparently some people cannot make inferences... so I will spell it out: The Jetta got, what in my opinion, is a crappier interior, consisting of hard plastics, when production moved to Mexico (for extra clarity: that has nothing to do with the people assembling the Jetta, but everything to do with a shift at VW to cutting costs by all means available to them, even if it is in detriment to the overall quality of the vehicle). On top of that, they would not let people close enough to the new car to touch the interior... Those combined to the implication in my question, which was that the interior may not be as nice as the current model...

Additionally, do I even need to ask what market the Jetta that is bought in the US is sold in???
My JSW was made in the Puebla plant, and it had nice interior parts... better quality plastics (and metal!) in fact than my Chattanooga Passat, and with additional features like the 115V AC outlet!

As frugality stated-nothing to do with where it was made. At car shows, cars are often roped off, but it would not surprise me at all if there are a few things changed to save money on materials in the interior! I don't think people were prevented from seein ghte interior for any reason other than they wanted to keep it as clean as possible. Typical carshow strategy.

Mexicans have been making more VWs and for longer than US plants, and remember the Wesfalia plant? Those Rabbits were about as cheaply made as possible!!
 
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My JSW was made in the Puebla plant, and it had nice interior parts... better quality plastics (and metal!) in fact than my Chattanooga Passat, and with additional features like the 115V AC outlet!

As frugality stated-nothing to do with where it was made. At car shows, cars are often roped off, but it would not surpside me at all if there are a few things changed to save money on materials in the interior.

Mexicans have been making more VWs and for longer than US plants, and remember the Wesfalia plant? Those Rabbits were about as cheaply made as possible!!
I hope that continues, but I have my doubts... I don't like them not letting people see the interior. If VW does not cheapen it, and they really do bring us the GTD, my 2013 will likely be replaced much sooner than I planned when I bought it.


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First, my thanks to ezshift5 and 03_01_TDI.

Apparently some people cannot make inferences... so I will spell it out: The Jetta got, what in my opinion, is a crappier interior, consisting of hard plastics, when production moved to Mexico (for extra clarity: that has nothing to do with the people assembling the Jetta, but everything to do with a shift at VW to cutting costs by all means available to them, even if it is in detriment to the overall quality of the vehicle). On top of that, they would not let people close enough to the new car to touch the interior... Those combined to the implication in my question, which was that the interior may not be as nice as the current model...

Additionally, do I even need to ask what market the Jetta that is bought in the US is sold in???
The Jetta was not decontented when it moved to Mexico. They have been built in Puebla for quite a while. My 2002 1.8T was built there, as was my 2006 2.5. The "cheapening" started with the 2011 model, and was done specificly to reduce the price point of the car. Yes, it was a significant drop from the quality of materials that we are accustomed to, but don't blame it on being built in Mexico. As others have noted, the Sportswagen is also built there, using the higher quality materials from before the change.

It does seem that VW is slowly moving back to the higher end materials that we enjoyed in the past, but you have to see it from their end. When they were able to reduce the cost/price, sales skyrocketed. That was their goal. I believe they are subtlely pushing people like me to Audi, and unless they build a TDI Tiguan or the CrossBlue concept with a TDI soon, I will be moving to the Q5 TDI shortly after it arrives here. I hate to leave my VW dealer (yes, I actually said that :eek:), but I want a car with the options I want, and VW isn't providing them.
 

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I just want to know if the manual is still an option (it really should be, but I have seen no mention of it). Also, since production is moving to mexico, is the interior going to be redone with the same crappy hard plastics as the Jetta?

Maybe the cheapening of the interior is why they wouldnt let anyone near it...
I've not seen any mention of using the harder plastics in the Golf. From what I remember, it's the opposite way. The 2014 Jetta sedan will bring back the soft feel plastics. From the amount of delaminating on the door handles in my 2000 Beetle, I am not sure that the soft touch plastics are really a good thing for all surfaces. I've had no problems with either the JSW or the Golf but do see some minor issues with my 03 Passat.
 

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The Jetta was not decontented when it moved to Mexico. They have been built in Puebla for quite a while. My 2002 1.8T was built there, as was my 2006 2.5. The "cheapening" started with the 2011 model, and was done specificly to reduce the price point of the car. Yes, it was a significant drop from the quality of materials that we are accustomed to, but don't blame it on being built in Mexico. As others have noted, the Sportswagen is also built there, using the higher quality materials from before the change.

It does seem that VW is slowly moving back to the higher end materials that we enjoyed in the past, but you have to see it from their end. When they were able to reduce the cost/price, sales skyrocketed. That was their goal. I believe they are subtlely pushing people like me to Audi, and unless they build a TDI Tiguan or the CrossBlue concept with a TDI soon, I will be moving to the Q5 TDI shortly after it arrives here. I hate to leave my VW dealer (yes, I actually said that :eek:), but I want a car with the options I want, and VW isn't providing them.
As I already stated, I hope this is correct, but, I have my doubts... If materials are better of the same, why rope off a $22k car?

I could easily afford an Audi (I traded in a Porsche worth more than my tech package golf)... The golf is in my opinion, the best compromise of looks and shape for a TDI, and the new golf looks great as well. It shouldn't be bout cost,it should be about the car. A TDI is a car designed to be a daily driver... I want small as possible to get around and park in downtown Houston, while still having good storage space when needed. I love the golf, and I really like the outside of the new golf, I just worry, that since demand for small hatches is typically pretty low in the US, there is incentive to cheapen it.

Add to that, the audis don't let you have manuals... They will never win me over that way, I also fear that it may be gone on the TDI... No one has addressed that part of my original question. I have not seen mention of anything but a 7-speed DSG


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One other thing to remember is that the current Jetta sedans and Passats in North America were designed for this market. Even though the new (MKVII) Golf will be built in Mexico, it is still a world platform car. We should still get the same interiors that the rest of the world is getting, just not all of the other options :(
 

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One other thing to remember is that the current Jetta sedans and Passats in North America were designed for this market. Even though the new (MKVII) Golf will be built in Mexico, it is still a world platform car. We should still get the same interiors that the rest of the world is getting, just not all of the other options :(
I hope so... that is the case with the JSW.

I also wish we at least got a chance to go 'a la cart' on all the options the ROW gets... but that a pipe dream
 
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Additionally, do I even need to ask what market the Jetta that is bought in the US is sold in???
If you are saying it's sold in the U.S......that is the market....the U.S. market.... The country it is manufactured in -- Mexico -- has nothing to do with what content the car gets. The car gets a cheap plastic interior because it is a specially-designed car for the North American (i.e. U.S.) market.

JSW's are made in Mexcio, and get a certain trim when they're sent to the U.S. Like our only option is vinyl seats. The same vehicle is made in Mexico and gets shipped to Canada as the Golf Wagon. And there it gets more options, with cloth seats and even leather, I think. Comfortline, Highline, etc. Stuff we don't get here. And the same made-in-Mexico vehicles get shipped to England where they're called Golf Estates. And they have even more goodies and options. You know, like they get actual switches in the center console, whereas we get a row of mostly blank filler caps.....

So you can get cheap JSW's and expensive, higher-quality Golf Estates from the same plant in Puebla, Mexico.
 
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If you are saying it's sold in the U.S......that is the market....the U.S. market.... The country it is manufactured in -- Mexico -- has nothing to do with what content the car gets. The car gets a cheap plastic interior because it is a specially-designed car for the North American (i.e. U.S.) market.

JSW's are made in Mexcio, and get a certain trim when they're sent to the U.S. Like our only option is vinyl seats. The same vehicle is made in Mexico and gets shipped to Canada as the Golf Wagon. And there it gets more options, with cloth seats and even leather, I think. Comfortline, Highline, etc. Stuff we don't get here. And the same made-in-Mexico vehicles get shipped to England where they're called Golf Estates. And they have even more goodies and options. You know, like they get actual switches in the center console, whereas we get a row of mostly blank filler caps.....

So you can get cheap JSW's and expensive, higher-quality Golf Estates from the same plant in Puebla, Mexico.
I think you are a little touchy, or you are really good at reading only what you want to read (or how you want to read them).

As you said, it is about the market, and as you just said, the Jetta with the cheap hard plastic is sold in the US... And the guy right before you said they have hard plastics in the entry level Golf in Europe. Compare what the US gets to to Canada and England, which YOU just did, what do we get entry models, or highlines?

Add all this information up, still spells a very high likelihood of the Golf getting the same crappy interior as the Jetta. VW gives the US the cheapest version of the Golf now, just like the JSW... We do not get options to buy permium versions. Why do you think that trend will change?

Please note, I am still ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAR, not your heritage, I don't care where anyone comes from, only what they can contribute to a community.

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Those photos make either interior look mediocre, but I think colors (and lighting) have a lot to do with perception of interior quality in photos. I owned a Camry in the early 90s that I called "terminally gray" because everything in the car including the outside was gray. The materials were actually pretty nice, but they looked awful. Monotone isn't great in any material.

Interior aside, the Golf will lose some content. Entry level versions will have a semi-independent rear suspension I think, not the beam that the Jetta has, but TDIs may be included in that group. It's getting either a space saver spare or no spare tire at all. And we don't yet know if they're cutting out interior features like the rear 110v outlet, manual versus electric HVAC controls, back to old school lighting instead of the variable voltage lighting in the MKV and VI, etc.

Although it's bigger than I want, I like the MKVI Golf because it was expensive to build. Not good for VWs economics or pricing, but it makes for a nice car. The older Passats are like that, too.
 

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Golf doesn't have the 110V outlet standard like the JSW. I really like it in the JSW and would like to like to put one in the Golf, if it were as simple as swaping out the consoles.
 

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Mostly just bumping this so it doesn't fall off the bottom. :)

Is it just me, or is the dash starting to look like a Saab's? The center stack is now kind of integrated with the cluster.



 

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With all the "must haves" and safety features, it would be difficult to keep any car looking unique.
 
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