G13 Coolant Pink/ 507 synthetic

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maniago

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Was up underneath it just now, and man they sure use a lot of plastic. And not really any great places on the cross member to jack on. Have to make an adapter to spread the load. Not keen on the wimpy engine guard, if you call it that. I guess its just an air deflector. Might be some diamond kick plate in the future there.

So G13 is in my 2013. Its pink. ***? What do we know about the pink stuff engineering-wise? My book says "no cross pollination with other coolants" except 12++. Ok got it - AL, Mg motor. Never seemed to bother my other Al motors, but I suppose.

Any idea where we get the new 13 stuff from? I'm sitting at min now, and you know, just like to have whatever I need on hand before I need it.

I missed where the filter is tho - any help on that? Do we need a special filter wrench?

Gotta go see where I can get 507 oil too...joys of new toys!
 

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There are several aftermarket people who have made metal skid plates for other VW's, at least one, dieselgeek, has come out with one for the 12+ Passat. I have a thread on the dieselgeek one I just posted not long ago.

I thought is was called G12 Coolant? is there a G13 now? idparts.com & autohausaz.com have G12 coolant, plus dealer, amazon even, I'd bet some other places, but online is cheapest I've seen.

As for coolant at min, is that when the car is cold, that should be ideal to me, if hot maybe not, but I'd ask the dealer to add a bit more instead of buying more right after purchase.

507 oil is at dealer for Castrol usually, Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 is available at Pep Boys, or idparts, autohausaz and a few other online places.

As for filter location, this explains it much better: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3864440&postcount=3



Also take a moment to search all of the forums including the fuel & lubricant and others, all of these questions and many more could be answered from a search too. :D

Welcome to the club.
 
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Thank you. Your response was absolutely spot on and completely informative. Thanks for being a normal helpful person. My encounter with some other "put down types" around here had me wondering about the make up of this site...
Cheers!:)
 

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Welcom, maniago!

This is the first I've heard about G13 - will have to do some more research. VW has been using the pink stuff (G12, G12+, G12++) for over a decade and it has proven to be very long lasting and durable (unless you mix it with something else, in which case it will turn to sludge) - it's also not terribly overpriced at dealerships if you want to pick up a bottle. Otherwise, check out the vendors on this site if you'd like to mail order or pick up some - World Impex isn't far from you.
 

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Was up underneath it just now, and man they sure use a lot of plastic. And not really any great places on the cross member to jack on. Have to make an adapter to spread the load. Not keen on the wimpy engine guard, if you call it that. I guess its just an air deflector. Might be some diamond kick plate in the future there.
So G13 is in my 2013. Its pink. ***? What do we know about the pink stuff engineering-wise? My book says "no cross pollination with other coolants" except 12++. Ok got it - AL, Mg motor. Never seemed to bother my other Al motors, but I suppose.
Any idea where we get the new 13 stuff from? I'm sitting at min now, and you know, just like to have whatever I need on hand before I need it.
I missed where the filter is tho - any help on that? Do we need a special filter wrench?
Gotta go see where I can get 507 oil too...joys of new toys!
G-13 from any Audi or Vw dealership, same with 507.00 oil Castrol slx professional LL-03 is what you want, in a 5w-30 weight. Maybe you can remember it comes in a gold bottle? Of course you probably won't need any for the first 39,999 miles of ownership.
Think I've helped you enough, now go beat the snot out of your engine if you think that's the right way to break it in, OK?
Really, around here, read some and search some, the search function is your friend, as is Google.

I put my owners manual in the magazine stand in "My Office" to be read during my morning restitution, and was finished with both in no time. Try it, see if it works for you.
 
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Managio,

Welcome to the site. Sorry your first experience was not ideal. We are usually a very informative group with information the site contains and can often times be helpful.

As for your current question... I have worked at Vw dealerships for the last 10 years and have never heard of G13 (not yet anyways). I was here for G10, G11, G12, G12+ and G12++ (which has been discontinued and replaced by G12+). In 2009 Vw did come out with G12++ which was purple in color (but barely distinguishable from pink) but shortly after they dropped it.

So according to Vw, what you should be using now is G12+
 

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Despite the fact that Niner thinks I don't read the manual, or dont know what it is, G13, on page 266, is TL-VW774J. G12 is 744G. What's the difference? Beats the hell out of me, which is why I came here - Google brought me. In anycase, my book says " Do not mix G13 with G12+ or G11". So I asked a question.

As an engineer, I do my homework before I ask because I like to work it out for myself. But at some point I succumbed to frustration of looking for information about the 2013 Passat that just started being delivered last week and asked.

I also teach for a side gig, and I tell all my students young and old "The only dumb question is the one you had and didn't ask".

Enough said. Ive moved on.:)
 
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Well, in that case, before you do anything, let me send an email to the parts specialists at VWoA and see what they say about G13.

I will let you know just as soon as I find out.
 

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Despite the fact that Niner thinks I don't read the manual, or dont know what it is, G13, on page 266, is TL-VW774J. G12 is 744G. What's the difference? Beats the hell out of me, which is why I came here - Google brought me. In anycase, my book says " Do not mix G13 with G12+ or G11". So I asked a question.

As an engineer, I do my homework before I ask because I like to work it out for myself. But at some point I succumbed to frustration of looking for information about the 2013 Passat that just started being delivered last week and asked.

I also teach for a side gig, and I tell all my students young and old "The only dumb question is the one you had and didn't ask".

Enough said. Ive moved on.:)
As an engineer, I'll let you think about a few things here... is there anything else breaking in besides the rings in the bore of your engine on a new car, compared to a spark ignited engine?

There's a whole bunch of bits and pieces rubbing together inside your whole diesel fuel injection system on a new car... pintels in nozzles rubbing together, lubricated by fuel, HPFP's guts rubbing together in fuel, nozzle seats peening and pounding together under extreme spring pressure.

The Rpm's they are run at are critical upon break in, as is the load.

I bet you didn't even know that Bosch prefers you run in your whole fuel system on special, low wear scar diesel fuel, something on the order of DIN 590 wear scar fuel, aroudn 300 microns or less, for run in. How do you get fuel in the USA with a wear scar figure that low? By premixing your fuel into a blend of 1 to 2% biodiesel... Buy some, and add a quart every fillup of 12 to 15 gallons, and you've met the requirements for lubricity for run in fuel.

None of your gas engines have this additional equipment... they were probably carbureted for the fuel delivery system.

There are a lot of moving parts in at diesel, way more than a gas engine, which is part of the reason why a TDI option costs about 4 or$5000 more than an equivalent gas modeled SE Passat.

Believe it when the engineers at VW put it in the book what the break in procedure is...Being a teacher, I suspect you teach from a book, or Note Book, these days, also, and request your students to read it before coming to class. We all are students here, learning, but when you don't read the assignment the night before... well, you get the picture.

Proper break in procedure requires that you look at the whole forest of systems breaking in on your new car, not just one tree, a set of rings seating in a bore.

Drivbiwire evidently missed that concept, his recommendations are outdated, due to new manufacturing techniques. VW laser hones their blocks, has for the past 5 years, which with that manufacturing technique, pretty much negates ring seating poorly or requiring heavy throttle application or high rpms to force things to wear into place in the bore. I've yet to see anyone in here on TDI club complain about oil consumption on their new common rail TDI motors, even driving like an old man, like I do... nothing consumed on my dipstick, oil level sits at the same level as the day I bought it.

I hope that helps make sense of it all.
 
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Can we put the ePeen contests away for now and actually stay on this topic to figure out if there is actually G13 coolant. Cause even my google-fu is blank on that and even VeeDubTDI had/has no idea, nor FixMy59Bug, which leads me to be very interested on what the conclusion is.
 

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Perhaps G13 is a new 2013 coolant specification? Asked as a question, not stated as fact. May or may not apply to your 2012, and G12 is lifetime coolant, so until you get to 130k miles and that timing belt/water pump R&R, probably a non issue and G12 variant will work for you on your 2012 for a long long time.

Robert Ford, Fixmy59, is a Vw parts manager... when he get's the info, he'll for sure most likely post up on the new development, most likely with the new part number also, once it's in the system.
 
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I don't care if it's for my car or not, it's about gaining knowledge and staying on topic and stoping the personal attacks back and forth.



To that end here is something I finally turned up with Googlefu searches:

http://www.kroon-oil.com/en/product...omotive/kroon-oil-winterfluids/coolant-sp-13/
If that brochure is correct, it requires the coolant system be filled with 100% G13... which is gonna get really expensive, they just doubled what they will charge you because it is pre diluted.
 

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Ok, Well I have some good news and bad news....

First of all, Thank you kydsid for the part number. I would not have found it otherwise. And there is an interesting reason why....

In the US catalog of ETKA, that specific part number applies only to 2013 and newer Jettas, Jetta Sportwagen, Beetle, and Touareg. Maybe they haven't updated all catalogs yet though.

And the bit of bad news...

According to Parts on Command (which is Vw's internal parts control and ordering system, there is an order block on the G13 and it says to use G12 instead.



That's not to say Vw won't release the G13, but as of now, they say to use G12.
 

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I am also still waiting for a response I sent to the parts specialists this morning.

When they reply, I will be sure to post it here.
 

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All - this is good. I like the "search and destroy" mission on the G13. Thanks for taking up the inquiry. Kinda befuddling that the manual says G13 and only G13, but the VW order block says "nah, just use 12."
Me thinks "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." - Hamlet (1.4.90) :rolleyes:
 

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All - this is good. I like the "search and destroy" mission on the G13. Thanks for taking up the inquiry. Kinda befuddling that the manual says G13 and only G13, but the VW order block says "nah, just use 12."
Me thinks "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." - Hamlet (1.4.90) :rolleyes:

I don't think so. Everything I found kept turning over and over again to Skoda. Skoda fourms, parts suppliers etc where the bulk of the info and results for G13. I appears at least 2 model years of Skoda's have used G13, but it is also brand new. In fact I found a trademark application for G13 from VAG dated April 25, 2012 for the EU, nothing over here.

Everything also said G13 and all G12's were compatable. I'd say its the next leap but that 2013 will be the first MY VW's to get it with no guarantee it's North American VW's. The manuals could be one printing for all english speaking countries after all.

All speculation of course, other than the fact that G13 does exist. :D
 

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Good news. I now have definitive confirmation.

I received a call from Stacey at Vw's Parts Specialist team and after contacting the Chatanooga assembly team that US models are NOT getting G13 coolant on the line. The G13 specification is a european specification only and does not apply to US models.

All vehicles bound for North America are factory filled with G12+ coolant.
 

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Good news. I now have definitive confirmation.

I received a call from Stacey at Vw's Parts Specialist team and after contacting the Chatanooga assembly team that US models are NOT getting G13 coolant on the line. The G13 specification is a european specification only and does not apply to US models.

All vehicles bound for North America are factory filled with G12+ coolant.
Great! A definitive answer! :)
 

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Good news. I now have definitive confirmation.

I received a call from Stacey at Vw's Parts Specialist team and after contacting the Chatanooga assembly team that US models are NOT getting G13 coolant on the line. The G13 specification is a european specification only and does not apply to US models.

All vehicles bound for North America are factory filled with G12+ coolant.
Excellent job Dr Watson, Sherlock would be proud. That said, I'm still smell a rat! I think I remember revisionist history that said Gutenberg was secretly a Dane!:D

Seriously, just to be clear, for those of you with known G12, your stuff is pink too, yes?
 

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My 2013 has that nuclear pink coolant in the reservoir... I think we're all gonna be all right!
 

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Any chance someone can scan and upload the coolant pages from their 2012 manual so us 2013'ers can have the right poop ad infinitum, please?
 

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Why? Check your owner's manual or your local VW dealer... hell it was posted on this forum yesterday by a VW service department man...
 

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Why? Check your owner's manual or your local VW dealer... hell it was posted on this forum yesterday by a VW service department man...
Christ almighty. Read the thread.

The 2013 manual, even though it says on the cover "Owners Manual Passat US Edition Model Year 2013" has a mis-print on this "pretty important area". What's wrong with having the correct pages from the 2012 manual? Sure, I can go to the dealer and ask for a 2012 manual, but that just helps me. Noone else. Why not post it up here for everyone who would like it and save people the a$$pain?

That's why.
 
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