Replacing Wife's Q7

Pat Dolan

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As some might recall, I spent months agonizing over what to replace my Mother's ultra low mile '13 Venza that my wife inherited last summer. We buy a vehicle once and tend to keep it forever. IF they were available new, an R Class Merc or Audi Q7 TDI would be the new purchase candidates, but there weren't any such, so I spent weeks trying to track down the lowest mileage, best condition, least equipped Q7 on the prairies. Found a literally flawless '14 with under 36k miles. It was hard for my wife to give up Mom's Venza, as they were as close as any two people could be and it was their ride to do things together every day for the two years Mom lived out here. BUT, the more time we both spent with the big Audi, the more we liked it.

Younger daughter was scheduled to have our 4fth Grandson on Valentine's Day, so on Wednesday I was wrapping up things around here to head over to Edmonton for the event. On the list was to head to town to move a trailer around the yard and pick up a quote and drawings for some CNC crane wheel tires to do my own version of trolleys and end trucks. Jumped in her Q7 and headed to town just before 09:00 to avoid the 08:00 crazies on commute. Sure enough, very light traffic and as I went by the road from out farm in the right lane, I could see a pickup going VERY slowly in the merge lane two over to my left and a bit ahead. He started into the right traffic lane, which I thought was odd at his speed, as there was still several hundred yards ahead of him to get to speed, but two lanes over on a near empty road, what's the big deal? What I did not realize is that he had leaned fairly hard on the loud pedal in the snow covered merge lane and, as a pickup in 2WD will do, lost traction. He made no effort to countersteer, so I started to brake a bit and moved onto the snow covered shoulder as he was now very close ahead, but still two lanes over (going on three).

When he hit bare pavement, he was at about 40/45 degrees to road direction and immediately shot across all 4 lanes. By then, I was already in the ditch in some Ninja avoidance move, but snow not deep enough to slow me much. He came all of the way across and down into the ditch at about 1/3 my speed, his RF corner arriving in the same space as my LF for a pretty hard hit. I think (no, I HOPE to HELL) the Q7 is totalled (will find out later). This was a literally flawless and irreplaceable vehicle.

Battle #1 will be the insurance company. Here, we are not living in a real world, but a throwback place where the only insurance you can buy is from the government. Socialists hate success, so if you are driving a premium car of any kind, and especially if you have something exceptional in value/condition, you are going to get screwed. I paid a healthy premium to get what we have, and I already feel like the fair haired 20 year old going to prison for the first time.

I am dreading what I must go through, first to settle, and second to try to replace something that I have about a snowball's chance in hell to duplicate.
 

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I sympathized until you injected the gratuitous and fatuous generalization “socialists hate success,” which, in my extended life experience, is something folks quite often say who have themselves enjoyed an abundance of political and societal advantages, without sufficiently admitting the role those have played in their success. Such folks also have a tendency to bray out their views without regard to what is understood to be the norms of polite conversation (no politics and no religion) on forums and in conversations with folks they barely know.

I’m confused about enough things all on my own without blowhards injecting obviously idiotic statements into the thought stream. I’ll put this thread into “unfollow” status.
 

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Gotta agree with Mythdoc here; really sorry to hear about the crash, Pat, but being born and raised in Saskatchewan, and having access to socialized medicine and free dental care in schools (yes - we'd get check ups in the school, during school hours, and get fillings if needed), please find another forum to post the ad hominem political attacks.
 

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Gotta agree with Mythdoc here; really sorry to hear about the crash, Pat, but being born and raised in Saskatchewan, and having access to socialized medicine and free dental care in schools (yes - we'd get check ups in the school, during school hours, and get fillings if needed), please find another forum to post the ad hominem political attacks.
Plus 1
 

Huskies2710

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Plus 2 and....

Must suck to be in the class that can afford to buy a luxury car and deal with those headaches of paying more out of pocket for such "necessities" while the pleebs drive whatever and live paycheck to paycheck.......if your going to worry about it to the point you have to make a comment about your "hardships" probably best to go back to a Toyota.
 

da.hs

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I found SGI quite easy to deal with in 2012 after a highway head-on that totalled my then truck (not in my Golf that day, fortunately). They paid somewhat more than I expected.



Yours would be a higher value vehicle so they might decide to repair which you probably don't want. They repaired my Golf after it was rear-ended by a drunk in 2013 - I was stopped at highway construction and hit at near highway speed. Could see slight ripple in the roof line as well as bumper and hatch back damage. Repair was good and no long term issues.



Carfile history showed a $22k repair around 8 years ago on my Touareg V10, I do not see any ill effects from that either. So repairs can work out OK.


Good luck.
 

Pat Dolan

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Q7

I found SGI quite easy to deal with in 2012 after a highway head-on that totalled my then truck (not in my Golf that day, fortunately). They paid somewhat more than I expected.



Yours would be a higher value vehicle so they might decide to repair which you probably don't want. They repaired my Golf after it was rear-ended by a drunk in 2013 - I was stopped at highway construction and hit at near highway speed. Could see slight ripple in the roof line as well as bumper and hatch back damage. Repair was good and no long term issues.



Carfile history showed a $22k repair around 8 years ago on my Touareg V10, I do not see any ill effects from that either. So repairs can work out OK.


Good luck.
Wife received e-mail from adjuster late Friday that we opened Saturday. They stopped counting damage estimate at $70k, so as I had expected, a write-off. She had a small version of valuation from some company they use, and it was not far off of reality. I paid a healthy premium to get this particular car - and after decades in the business, I probably paid very close to what it was actually worth. Southgate in Edmonton was nice enough to use their search software to get a representative of every transaction for the last year for similar cars, and it's average would bump the settlement value up to a bit more than I paid. SGI is just a short bit below, but will see how that goes when they open Tuesday.

I was lucky enough to be in Edmonton over the weekend, and by some incredible stroke of good luck, Southgate has some Q7s, but ONE only '15 TDI with same equipment (but wrong colour) to wife's (as well as an A6 TDI) new, unregistered in stock. I had no idea there would be any left from Dieselgate, but this was the last. I paid one grand over my target price, and we are taking it home. Discounts here are no where near what the Yanks are getting.

We have dealt with SGI over damage to both kids' cars long ago. The first was a hit and run in a parking lot, and they claimed she was trying to hide damage done somewhere else. It was the most shameful display of completely dishonest crap I have ever witnessed (and again, being a long time in the car business, I have seen some pretty low blows from government owned and private insurers). Second one was when someone in an F150 turned into the back corner of youngest daughter's Miata. It was her beloved pet grad car, just as the Q7 something I looked for weeks to find, ultra low miles, ultra clean and carefully modded to be what she wanted. Negotiated a private shop repair deal (i.e. NON SGI game players) since it was a very close friend, long time VW resto business that I was once involved with. My buddy went through hell to get paid what they committed to pay him.

I have dealt with a lot of body shops, and while there are some who CAN do really good work, I have seen far more that have butchered a job (got some problems like that with wife's Jetta, fixed by shop recommended by local dealer - have to take it apart and fix it properly, probably this summer). I have far more desire to own things that have NOT been "fixed" in any way, and will go through whatever it takes to avoid or minimize damage and repair.
 

Pat Dolan

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Plus 2 and....
Must suck to be in the class that can afford to buy a luxury car and deal with those headaches of paying more out of pocket for such "necessities" while the pleebs drive whatever and live paycheck to paycheck.......if your going to worry about it to the point you have to make a comment about your "hardships" probably best to go back to a Toyota.
I certainly didn't intend to open any political discussion, but I do take great exception to the notion that I am in some privileged "class". After more than 50 years of working my ass off and taking risks investing MY money in tooling, equipment, facilities, R&D, etc. pretty disappointed that someone would begrudge me the simple ability to buy a half-assed car. The only reason I would waste (and I consider new/newer cars generally a waste) hard earned money on a vehicle is that it suits exactly what I DO need, and it will be used until it is completely used up. I make note of the "hardships" of dealing with government insurance because it has cost me plenty out-of-pocket in doing so in the past, and I have seen many others in the same situation. I chose Audi since I have to tools, experience and sources for parts to support VWAG products - and their passive and active safety record is exceptionally good.

I don't live in SK by accident. I spent a couple of years looking all over literally the world for the best possible place to raise and educate kids, and thus why here. By the same token, I will never stop doing everything I can to make it a better place - even if that means offending people by simply stating the obvious truth. As I said, not meant as a political statement, but a fact of life when having to deal with an automobile crash in MB/SK.
 
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Gotta agree with Mythdoc here; really sorry to hear about the crash, Pat, but being born and raised in Saskatchewan, and having access to socialized medicine and free dental care in schools (yes - we'd get check ups in the school, during school hours, and get fillings if needed), please find another forum to post the ad hominem political attacks.

Just settled a claim on my totaled 2012 MB ML350 Bluetec. Had to go back and forth with the carrier and still settled several thousand short of what I could determine it was worth and less than what I owe. This was with a top flight auto carrier. I'd give anything for a "socialist" healthcare system where all citizens get equal access to quality care. Sorry about the accident, and main take away, glad you didn't get hurt.
 

Pat Dolan

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Just settled a claim on my totaled 2012 MB ML350 Bluetec. Had to go back and forth with the carrier and still settled several thousand short of what I could determine it was worth and less than what I owe. This was with a top flight auto carrier. I'd give anything for a "socialist" healthcare system where all citizens get equal access to quality care. Sorry about the accident, and main take away, glad you didn't get hurt.
When debriefing with my best bud over this affair, I came to the thought that 40 years ago, a hit this hard would have involved injury, hospital time and possibly death. 20 years ago, with passive safety of the day, it might have been a visit with the EMT before going home. The current state of the art meant I got to sit in the other guy's warm truck while we discussed what the heck had happened, tell the RCMP what transpired (tracks into the ditch confirming everything), collect wife's stuff from the trunk and go home.

Yeah, sad to see such a fine car destroyed, but in this case, I am grateful for its contribution to my continued presence to be politically incorrect.

BTW: my buddy went right out and bought a Q8 for his wife.
 

trae

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When debriefing with my best bud over this affair, I came to the thought that 40 years ago, a hit this hard would have involved injury, hospital time and possibly death. 20 years ago, with passive safety of the day, it might have been a visit with the EMT before going home. The current state of the art meant I got to sit in the other guy's warm truck while we discussed what the heck had happened, tell the RCMP what transpired (tracks into the ditch confirming everything), collect wife's stuff from the trunk and go home.

Yeah, sad to see such a fine car destroyed, but in this case, I am grateful for its contribution to my continued presence to be politically incorrect.

BTW: my buddy went right out and bought a Q8 for his wife.
So glad you were safe. That's the major take-away. Some years ago, I was literally run over by a semi, which went airborne and broke off a utility pole further down the highway, while sitting in my '89 Volvo 240. There were tire tracks on the roof, and the saddlebag tank tore open saturating the interior (including me) with diesel - recognizing that if big rigs ran on gas I would've been a dead man, due to the lower flash point of gasoline, my next car was an MB 300TDT wagon. I escaped the collision with a stiff neck. The truck driver died. Am hopeful for the outcome of this for you; we just picked up a near-mint Q7 with less than 41k miles on it, for a fraction of its retail price, so maybe there's a similar car out there for you.
 

Pat Dolan

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WOW!!

My interest in passive safety started when I was a young VW hobbyiest, before becoming mechanic and salesman. Safety was in the minds of most a matter of having a bigger car than the other person. As a racer and enthusiast, I was vaguely aware of the '60s design philosophy known as the "safety cell", and would look at how Rover, BMW, Audi, D-B and Volvo did various things to keep the interior box in tact and things outside absorbing energy without sticking things inside of the box. When my best friend missed being Best Man at our wedding due to being in a single vehicle crash of a Ford sedan that left him near death and two years in hospital and extensive therapy to recover, I started to look at design details and think constantly about the subject.

Between being a VW mech and later dealer principal, I was in the aviation business and framed what I saw in air crashes with what had been done very much better in auto design. You comment about the gasoline vs. diesel (similar to jet fuel in flash point and volatility) is something I saw in several a number of air crashes. It left me wondering why more cars had not cashed in on this obvious safety benefit - but diesels of the day were to say the least, lackluster in performance. I would follow our moves into development of what by then was a very significant force in European design for passive safety, complementing active safety to what I considered one of the greater successes in the injury and death statistics of VW Rabbits (with passive restraint) in the late '70s. I even got to try out the whole thing doing several end-over-end rolls in a new 911 - and THAT certainly made me a believer in the technology (walked away unharmed, car not so). When we got the first diesels, IMHO all of the pieces to the puzzle were now in place.

We owe a LOT to the forces within our industry (this started LONG before any consumer pressure groups existed) that have brought us to this point. Your 240, your 300, my MkIV and now our Q7s embody all of those things, taken to a much higher level in the big Audis. I am really sad to see the diesel part of the equation wiped out for all of the wrong reasons
 

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We owe a LOT to the forces within our industry (this started LONG before any consumer pressure groups existed) that have brought us to this point. Your 240, your 300, my MkIV and now our Q7s embody all of those things, taken to a much higher level in the big Audis. I am really sad to see the diesel part of the equation wiped out for all of the wrong reasons
We sure do. When I went back to the wrecking yard to get my items out of the Volvo, to look at it, you'd never think anyone could have escaped alive - the car was mashed down by about 10" - then I realized that the entire passenger cage had been mashed into the ground beneath the car, yet the passenger cage frame itself, including the window pillars, was essentially intact. I may owe me life to a bunch of middle-aged Swedish engineers.
 
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