Does buy back $ offset sales tax on a new car?

MichaelJ1978

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We're getting out 2015 TDI Passat bought back. We will get a check for $30,000. Purchase price on the 2017 Honda Accord V6 touring is $31,000. Do we only pay sales tax on the difference of purchase price minus buyback?

Location is Missouri.
 

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We're getting out 2015 TDI Passat bought back. We will get a check for $30,000. Purchase price on the 2017 Honda Accord V6 touring is $31,000. Do we only pay sales tax on the difference of purchase price minus buyback?

Location is Missouri.
Simple answer is: no. Is your VW dealer also a Honda dealer? You will get a check (or EFT) from VW. You could sign that check over to the Honda dealer. In most states sales tax is assessed when you register the car (which is usually when you buy it). What you sell your old car for has no effect on the sales tax paid on a new car. You will pay sales tax on the entire purchase price of the new car. This is true unless there is something weird about the way that Missouri handles car sales.

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Simple answer is: no. Is your VW dealer also a Honda dealer? You will get a check (or EFT) from VW. You could sign that check over to the Honda dealer. In most states sales tax is assessed when you register the car (which is usually when you buy it). What you sell your old car for has no effect on the sales tax paid on a new car. You will pay sales tax on the entire purchase price of the new car. This is true unless there is something weird about the way that Missouri handles car sales.

Have Fun!

Don
This is something that isn't very clear. Missouri doesn't care if you trade in. When you sell a car via private party sale you can use that sale price to offset your sales tax on the replacement car if you purchase/sell within 180 days if I remember correctly. That said, I still don't know exactly how they are treating this buyback, ie is it the same as a private party sale? If anyone calls the MO AG's office, please report back here. Thanks!
 

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We're getting out 2015 TDI Passat bought back. We will get a check for $30,000. Purchase price on the 2017 Honda Accord V6 touring is $31,000. Do we only pay sales tax on the difference of purchase price minus buyback?
Location is Missouri.
In Georgia you would pay sales tax on the entire $31,000 --
the buyback is not considered a trade-in.

Edit: I had forgotten our state is now using "title ad valorem tax" rather than sales tax.
 
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I had the same question, so I emailed the Missouri Dept of Rev this morning and they e-mailed me back with this response:

Thank you for your e-mail inquiry to the Missouri Department of Revenue.

You will need to pay sales tax on the full purchase price of the replacement vehicle. You may then apply for a refund as long as the buyback is completed within 180 days of the purchase date of the replacement vehicle by following directions below.

To apply for a refund of taxes paid you will need to download the Refund Request Form 426. You will send the form with a COPY of the title application receipt showing taxes were paid on the newly acquired unit and copy of the buyback orders to the address indicated on the form.

Thank you,
Desiree
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I am also in Missouri and have asked the same question. My concern is if they need one of the other forms listed on 426 signed by the buyback specialist since my appointment is over and my check has already been cashed.
 

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For Ohio they said you can apply for a refund on the original taxes from purchase of the VW since the manufactuer bought the car back. hopefully it works. Below is the response I got back from the tax department...

You may file the form ST AR to apply for a refund.
A person or entity that has erroneously paid sales tax to the state of Ohio or Clerk of Courts, can apply for a sales tax refund by applying to the Tax Commissioner.
The Application for Sales/Use Tax Refund is ST-AR (Sales Tax Application for Refund)
To access the forms and instructions, use the links below:

http://www.tax.ohio.gov/portals/0/forms/sales_and_use/Generic/ST_STAR.pdf
http://www.tax.ohio.gov/portals/0/forms/sales_and_use/Generic/ST_STAR_C_FI.pdf

Applications cannot be filed later than 4 years from the date of the payment.
 

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It is EXACTLY the same as if you totaled your car, and insurance company gave you a big check; in no way is your sales tax on your replacement car any lower by subtracting the amount of the insurance check from the price of the new car. It simply does not work that way.
 

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Cincy_TDI,

I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but the second link contains a checklist of the documentation to be provided along with the application for a refund. The checklist plainly states:

"4. Proof the full purchase price was refunded to you, such as a copy of the cancelled check (front and back)."

By this language, I won't qualify. But I haven't done exhaustive research, since I'm driving the car a while longer before selling it back to VW.
 

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I am also in Missouri and have asked the same question. My concern is if they need one of the other forms listed on 426 signed by the buyback specialist since my appointment is over and my check has already been cashed.
send in the form with copies of what paperwork you have.

they will hopefully either send you a check, ask for more info, or say no.

the only hitch I would see is that there are two parts to a buy back. the sale (at 2015 prices) and the incentive. it really would not be fair for you to get sales tax relief on the incentive.
 

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I am also in Missouri and have asked the same question. My concern is if they need one of the other forms listed on 426 signed by the buyback specialist since my appointment is over and my check has already been cashed.
My buyback is at 3:30 today.
I talked to DOR this morning.
They confirmed that you need to send Form 426 along with a copy of the new vehicle title receipt and a copy of the buyback documents.
They said that they would process the refund of the state and local taxes.
 

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Cincy_TDI,

I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but the second link contains a checklist of the documentation to be provided along with the application for a refund. The checklist plainly states:

"4. Proof the full purchase price was refunded to you, such as a copy of the cancelled check (front and back)."

By this language, I won't qualify. But I haven't done exhaustive research, since I'm driving the car a while longer before selling it back to VW.

luckily I had all that information from my original 2015 TDI purchase and sent in copies of my buyback paperwork. my guess is it will take them a few weeks to process. cost me $1.52 to send it all in, if it works I stand to get back almost $1800. so was worth a shot.
 

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Please share the outcome. I had planned on driving my '14 JSW until late 2018, but the four-year limit on the tax refund might cause me to opt for a turn-in date before September '17. If indeed a buyback for less than full purchase price somehow qualifies.
 

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In Georgia you would pay sales tax on the entire $31,000 --
the buyback is not considered a trade-in.
Wrong......in GA, the sales tax is waived and then charged by the DMV for your tag fees.

Donald
 

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Wrong......in GA, the sales tax is waived and then charged by the DMV for your tag fees.

Donald
We haven't sold our vehicles back yet, but I was told that whatever you receive in return for your vehicle will not be deducted from your taxes. I asked fairly explicitly about this, but perhaps they have found a loophole since then? I will inquire about this later today.

Regardless, the reason for this as I understand it is due to the fact that the court settlement was purposefully designed to prevent VW from benefiting from the buybacks, and that is why they are being processed by an independent third party. VW can't offer current TDI owners special deals, they can't talk to you unless you request for them to, and they can't give you a discount on your taxes for returning to them as a customer. If it counted as a trade-in or the money you received back could be used to discount your taxes, then that could be a sales tool VW dealers could use to encourage you to only buy from them.
 

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Hey MO folks (especially on the KC side).
What dealer are you using?
I recently moved back to KCMO.

-T.
 

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We haven't sold our vehicles back yet, but I was told that whatever you receive in return for your vehicle will not be deducted from your taxes. I asked fairly explicitly about this, but perhaps they have found a loophole since then? I will inquire about this later today.

Regardless, the reason for this as I understand it is due to the fact that the court settlement was purposefully designed to prevent VW from benefiting from the buybacks, and that is why they are being processed by an independent third party. VW can't offer current TDI owners special deals, they can't talk to you unless you request for them to, and they can't give you a discount on your taxes for returning to them as a customer. If it counted as a trade-in or the money you received back could be used to discount your taxes, then that could be a sales tool VW dealers could use to encourage you to only buy from them.
You don't understand......Their is no sales tax on cars in GA as of 2012 or 2013. You pay a 1 time ad valorem title tax instead.

https://onlinemvd.dor.ga.gov/Tap/faqs.aspx

Their is no exceptions. The only exception is if you document that you paid well under market value for a car.

Donald
 

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...but in GA, if you trade in a car on a new car (but not on a used car), the taxable "value" of the new car is reduced by the trade-in amount. Doesn't work for the buyback, though, since you aren't trading the car (as has already been discussed in several other similar threads).
 

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It sounds like you guys are trying to get the original sales tax back that you paid on the car. does anyone know how to get back sales tax from ny? My tdi was bought and registered in ny back in 2012 so I paid ny sales tax.

Or do you mean you can get the sales tax discounted on the new car that you purchase to replace the vw that you send to the buyback? Our new car was purchased and registered in florida.
 

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...but in GA, if you trade in a car on a new car (but not on a used car), the taxable "value" of the new car is reduced by the trade-in amount. Doesn't work for the buyback, though, since you aren't trading the car (as has already been discussed in several other similar threads).
Exactly......I had to explain this to a salesman over the phone in Indiana. I kept telling him not to charge sales tax, I would have to pay the "title tax" when I registered it. (used 328 wagon...driving up today, picking up tomorrow)

That is why I already had that link copied........I already sent it to him.:)

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Also in Missouri

I had the same question, so I emailed the Missouri Dept of Rev this morning and they e-mailed me back with this response:
Thank you for your e-mail inquiry to the Missouri Department of Revenue.
You will need to pay sales tax on the full purchase price of the replacement vehicle. You may then apply for a refund as long as the buyback is completed within 180 days of the purchase date of the replacement vehicle by following directions below.
To apply for a refund of taxes paid you will need to download the Refund Request Form 426. You will send the form with a COPY of the title application receipt showing taxes were paid on the newly acquired unit and copy of the buyback orders to the address indicated on the form.
Thank you,
Desiree
Motor Vehicle Bureau
That is the most reasonable response I have heard from MO DOR. When I went to pay the title fee/taxes on the Honda Ridgeline I purchased to replace my Jetta Sportswagen which I turned in the day before they would not take the transaction receipt I received from VW as proof. They called Jeff City and were told I needed a Notarized Affidavit of Total Loss which makes no sense. I then called MO DOR myself and after many "i need to check with my supervisor" later was told I needed a form 1957 Bill of Sale signed by a VW representative and myself. VW does not want to sign one of these and DOR said they are not required to by law. I will try sending int the 426 and copies of other forms as suggested above. I wonder if anyone has successfully received a refund from Missouri yet on a VW buyback.
FYI The DOR said that they had hundreds of calls on this issue. I do believe that only the vehicle return amount will qualify and not the additional restitution but that is fair I think.
 

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My buyback is at 3:30 today.
I talked to DOR this morning.
They confirmed that you need to send Form 426 along with a copy of the new vehicle title receipt and a copy of the buyback documents.
They said that they would process the refund of the state and local taxes.
I just did my buyback on Friday.
I have all my documents ready to send on Tuesday.
Hopefully won't be more than a couple of weeks before I hear something back.
 

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I just did my buyback on Friday.
I have all my documents ready to send on Tuesday.
Hopefully won't be more than a couple of weeks before I hear something back.
Which buyback documents are you sending a copy of? Just the Transaction receipt or something else? Did you get a Bill of sale from VW?
 

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I don't know anything about how to apply in Missouri. But in Vermont, to support the sale price, I attached a copy of the physical print out receipt I got at the turn in, which had the sale price on it, a copy of my e-mail receipt, and, because I got an EFT, a copy of the Chase-Volkswagen e-mail telling me I had money coming, and how much.

Vermont does not require any supporting documentation for the car you purchased and registered in Vermont. You supply them the license plate number and VIN of the purchased car, and they can see in their computer base that you paid sales tax on it, and how much.
 

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My buyback is at 3:30 today.
I talked to DOR this morning.
They confirmed that you need to send Form 426 along with a copy of the new vehicle title receipt and a copy of the buyback documents.
They said that they would process the refund of the state and local taxes.
MO Form 426.
A copy of my new vehicle title receipt (that shows State and Local taxes paid).
A copy of my VW buyback receipt.
I called and talked to DOR.
This is what they require to refund state and local taxes.
 
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