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TDI Power Enhancements Discussions about increasing the power of your TDI engine. i.e. chips, injectors, powerboxes, clutches, etc. Handling, suspensions, wheels, type discussion should be put into the "Upgrades (non TDI Engine related)" forum. Non TDI vehicle related postings will be moved or removed. Please note the Performance Disclaimer.

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Old June 14th, 2018, 09:44   #1
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Talking Recent Dyno results Hybrid PPD170 257.5 HP/373.5 ft lbs

Car had a few runs today at JBS in Chesterfield, UK. 257.5 HP and 373.5 ft lbs of torque.
No issues apart from noticing my timing advanced by 2.5 degrees
Last power figures were 253.5 HP and 390 ft lbs.
Up 4 HP but down 16.5 ft lbs in torque.
Mods since are a piper cross foam panel filter and snow performance stage 1 water methanol injection 50/50 mix
Now saving for 3" cat back before the gtb 22/60����

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Old June 14th, 2018, 12:11   #2
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Old June 14th, 2018, 19:37   #3
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I'm really curious about your turbo. I'm currently running a hybrid CR170 turbo with 2056 internals built by some unknown bloke from the UK. I got it off a guy here in the states who never installed it.

I was getting some surging at lower RPM and boost creep at high speed cruising. We ended up turning down boost across the board. I feel like it is underutilized right now, I feel like it could take more boost and fuel on the top end. If our turbos are anything similar, your dyno sheet seems to tell me we should try more air and fuel on the top end.

Here is the thread which has a link to the original purchaser with pictures....

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=390337

Oh and nice results on the dyno!
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Old June 14th, 2018, 23:46   #4
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That 2056 “hybrid” is far from gtb2056v specs, it uses a k14 spec compressor wheel which won’t flow much air, I would of kept your old chra and just add a billet ko3s/ko4 wheel from mamba off eBay however it will require a matching turbine wheel as well.
Good hybrids are hard to make as trying different ingredients in the mixture proves an expensive experience !
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Old June 15th, 2018, 02:14   #5
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I'll dial in the cams to see if I can get my torque back.
torque is more go��

ill then try anot her run after the 3" cat back. My fuelling may be maxed out.
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Old June 15th, 2018, 04:00   #6
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That 2056 “hybrid” is far from gtb2056v specs, it uses a k14 spec compressor wheel which won’t flow much air, I would of kept your old chra and just add a billet ko3s/ko4 wheel from mamba off eBay however it will require a matching turbine wheel as well.
Good hybrids are hard to make as trying different ingredients in the mixture proves an expensive experience !

Kind of a moot point for me anyhow as I have a GTB2260vklr on the way. Still wanted to see what this turbo is capable of.
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Old June 15th, 2018, 04:07   #7
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That looks like a Dynocom dyno?
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Old June 15th, 2018, 06:01   #8
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I wouldnt go to 2260 on this engine. I have it more than 3 years. Spend so much money on this car, but no enjoy. You need crazy durations/soi to utilize potential of this turbo. But that causes damage to engine. Take 250hp and be happy.
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Old June 15th, 2018, 09:11   #9
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What damage, tell me what I need to be careful of. I'm running the 19/56 Xman hybrid at the recommended 2.2 BAR but was looking to remap the injection etc. My water meth kicks in at 2 BAR. Please can you provide any cam timing recommendations?
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Old June 15th, 2018, 09:12   #10
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What did you achieve with the 22/60?
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Old June 16th, 2018, 04:57   #11
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Have you done any dyno's back to back with the water injection off and then on to compare?
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Old June 17th, 2018, 03:39   #12
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No but I will in the future. I have a disable switch in the centre consol.

I have a run planned up at Darkside after my cat back 2.75 " or 3" ( undesided)

They will t week my exhaust cam on the dyno to suite. The inlet needs to be on 0 degrees.
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No but I will in the future. I have a disable switch in the centre consol.

I have a run planned up at Darkside after my cat back 2.75 " or 3" ( undesided)

They will t week my exhaust cam on the dyno to suite. The inlet needs to be on 0 degrees.
At 260hp you don't really need anything bigger than a 2.5" exhaust.
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Old June 18th, 2018, 00:22   #14
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Head cracking is the most often problem on BMN.
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