CA Study Defies Conventional Thinking About `Clean` Fuels: Diesel Tops Natural Gas as

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4/19/02

WASHINGTON, April 19 /PRNewswire/ -- New comparative environmental data from the California Air Resources Board (CARB) indicates that California`s massive South Coast Air Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles may have jumped the gun in mandating compressed natural gas (CNG) for buses and other vehicles in its jurisdiction.

The new CARB data suggests emissions from CNG buses may actually be more toxic than its alternative -- modern diesel systems, according to Allen Schaeffer, Executive Director of the Washington, D.C.-based Diesel Technology Forum. "This study certainly challenges conventional thinking -- it shows us that alternative fuels like CNG are not always as clean as they have been accepted to be, and more importantly, that we have not given fair consideration to the tremendous progress made in clean diesel technology," said Schaeffer.

"It was a naive assumption that CNG emitted fewer particulates than diesel," said toxicologist Charles Lapin, Ph.D. of Glendale, CA. He said he was surprised that toxic formaldehyde levels in CNG emissions were so much higher than diesel, but he acknowledged that only one or two studies have looked at the toxicity of CNG emissions.

The announcement by CARB that diesel engines with soot filters emit fewer and less-toxic compounds than "clean" CNG engines questions the objectivity and wisdom of South Coast District`s two-year-old CNG-only decision. That policy, based on conjecture rather than comparative data, has seen taxpayers subsidize hundreds of millions of dollars for new CNG vehicles and fueling stations -- in the midst of the natural gas shortage.

"Several months ago, California determined that it didn`t adequately study the adverse effects of the gasoline additive MTBE before mandating its use, and Californians are now paying the price. The blind rush by some government agencies away from modern clean diesel to CNG-fueled public transit may carry the same harmful effects. Our message is that all fuels and technologies should be evaluated fairly and openly," said Schaeffer.

Some 13 transit fleets and all school districts in the South Coast AQMD region have been required to direct new purchase dollars to the more expensive, less reliable, and potentially more toxic CNG buses, said Schaeffer. "It`s a prime example of why government agencies should not pick winners and losers in the technology arena," he added.

CARB, one of the world`s leading advocates of "alternative" technologies, discovered in its tests with South Coast AQMD that a diesel bus with a soot trap outperformed a newer CNG bus in eight out of 11 pollution tests. The results also suggest that the CNG exhaust components may be more harmful than those from low-sulfur diesel fuel.

The CARB data corroborates studies done in Sweden in 2000 but were rejected by the South Coast AQMD and many policymakers at CARB during the decision-making process in 2000 and 2001. The results also parallel a much larger California study of trucks, waste haulers and school buses conducted by BP/ARCO along with CARB, South Coast AQMD, and the U.S. Department of Energy.

"The comparison reaffirms the decision made by 21 California transit agencies last year that chose a clean diesel future over CNG. And it leaves the South Coast Air Quality Management District -- a co-sponsor of the study - - questioning the wisdom of its policies that have advocated `clean` alternatives with impunity," said Schaeffer.

"These findings only further reinforce the value of clean diesel technology in meeting air quality goals and what the majority of transit districts and school bus fleets already know -- they can get more clean air for the buck with clean diesel technology," asserted Schaeffer. This technology includes cleaner engines, cleaner fuel and emissions systems that collectively reduce soot, nitrogen oxides and other pollutants. Experience with CNG by transit districts around the country suggests that not only is it far more expensive technology to own and to operate, but it is less fuel efficient, less reliable and breaks down more often.

"All engines produce emissions, and neither diesel nor CNG are exempt," said Schaeffer, whose members offer both clean diesel and CNG products. "Technology is constantly evolving towards lowering emissions. These kinds of studies not only improve our knowledge of the science, but we also hope they promote change in the process that compares technologies and the perception and understanding about just how far we have come in diesel technology," he added.

"We encourage more comparison studies, since this research was only based on two buses. But the South Coast AQMD stood firmly behind it`s CNG-only policy with NO data," concluded Schaeffer. "Perhaps these new findings will encourage the District to reconsider its restrictive mandate."

The Diesel Technology Forum represents manufacturers of engines, fuel and emissions control systems. It brings together the diesel industry, the broad diesel user community, civic and public interest leaders, government regulators, academics, scientists, the petroleum industry and public health researchers to encourage the exchange of information, ideas, scientific findings and points-of-view to current and future uses of diesel power technology. For more information about the Forum, visit the web site at http://www.dieselforum.org .
 

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Re: CA Study Defies Conventional Thinking About `Clean` Fuels: Diesel Tops Natural Gas as

I wonder if th early assumption result from the fact that nearly all bus diesel engines are old; every bus CNG engine is new.
 

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Re: CA Study Defies Conventional Thinking About `Clean` Fuels: Diesel Tops Natural Gas as

je,
You are very correct. Southern CA and up here in the Puget Sound area have some of the oldest fleets of diesel engine vehicles. Like schools for example.
The studies used are flawed and only compared the older diesel engines to CNG engines. Of course the CNG won, it required putting in new engines or buying new buses with new CNG engines. It did not take into account new clean diesels or diesel conversion updates with CA ULSD that us currently available down there.

That's why we need ULSD now nation wide!

Diesels can be clean with the right fuel.
 

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Re: CA Study Defies Conventional Thinking About `Clean` Fuels: Diesel Tops Natural Gas as

By the way......
I was following the wife in our Golf this morning and she drives much faster around town than I do.
Right now we have about B60 biodiesel (went on a trip and filled up with Union 76) in the tank. With this mix you know how much smoke I see out the back?

ZERO!!!

We don't even get any build up on the back of the car like other people have said they do. I know these buggies run clean, but when we ran staight dino-crud smoke was visable. Especially at WOT. With any mix from B20 on up I don't see any smoke!

ULSD would work the same as good ULSD like Arco EC-D typically tests out at less than 10ppm sulfur. This would allow clean tech diesels on the market now!
 

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Re: CA Study Defies Conventional Thinking About `Clean` Fuels: Diesel Tops Natural Gas as

Our government is just as mis-informed


S'pore opens first natural gas station

SINGAPORE took one more step to preserve its clean-and-green environment on Monday with the launch of a project to promote the use of natural gas in public and commercial transport.


A launching ceremony was held for Singapore's first compressed natural gas refilling station in Jurong on Monday. -- ABDUL AZIZ HUSSIN
The island's first compressed natural gas (CNG) refilling station was inaugurated in the industrial suburb of Jurong, and the first CNG-powered bus was declared ready for a trial operation.

Officials said by the end of the year there would be 12 CNG buses on the road, with taxis and delivery vehicles targeted next.

Meanwhile, emission standards were being tightened in line with strict European Union benchmarks.

Environment Minister Lim Swee Say said at the launch of the CNG project that natural gas was a cleaner and quieter energy source than diesel. He also said the Sydney Institute, a leading technical institute in Australia, would be tapped for CNG-related training programmes in Singapore.

Mr Lim noted that diesel vehicles currently used for public transport and deliveries produced harmful fine particles.

He said: 'Fine particulate matter is insidious. These fine particles are able to penetrate deeply into our lungs because of their small size.

'It would be prudent to keep fine particulate levels as low as possible in order to protect the health of the population.' -- AFP
 
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