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Old November 26th, 2017, 17:06   #61
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PS: 2004LB7 I just want to experience a well responding BRM/PD140/Malone Stg4....living vicariously through you...LOL
Supposedly the GTB1749v is a better turbo then the PD140 turbo, same (or possibly better) spooling on the bottom end and more on the top end. Hope this is true.

I am going to run a stage 5 custom Malone tune. So I should be able to get what ever tuning adjustments I need to make it responsive and minimal smoke.

I am trying to maximize what I can get with this engine without going overboard and still keeping it as smoke free as possible.

I did run a stage 2 on my otherwise stock 09 CBEA and it was nice. Made driving a lot more fun. So this is really all I have to compare it to other than my stock BRM with a slightly worn cam. If my BRM beats my CBEA then I will call it a win
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Old November 26th, 2017, 17:14   #62
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Supposedly the GTB1749v is a better turbo then the PD140 turbo
That's right...you're not running a PD140......still want to know how it is for you.....
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Old November 26th, 2017, 17:32   #63
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The PD140 should have more bottom end than the GTB1749vc, the GTB should have more top end. I had mine actually detuned below 2000 RPM, it lights hard by 2300 RPM and pulls hard to redline. It makes around 175-180 hp in the real world with a gentle 250 lb-ft of torque.

My setup actually drives a lot like my 12 valve Cummins with a big turbo, on that one I have to shift at 3500-4000 RPM to land in the sweet spot on the upshift. Shifting like it's on the stock turbo results in a slow moving torqueless Honda experience. Most do not like it, but I prefer setups like this only because it's gentle on the driveline.
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Old November 26th, 2017, 17:43   #64
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Supposedly the GTB1749v is a better turbo then the PD140 turbo, same (or possibly better) spooling on the bottom end and more on the top end. Hope this is true.
I am going to run a stage 5 custom Malone tune. So I should be able to get what ever tuning adjustments I need to make it responsive and minimal smoke.
I am trying to maximize what I can get with this engine without going overboard and still keeping it as smoke free as possible.
I did run a stage 2 on my otherwise stock 09 CBEA and it was nice. Made driving a lot more fun. So this is really all I have to compare it to other than my stock BRM with a slightly worn cam. If my BRM beats my CBEA then I will call it a win
Based on the wheel size I doubt there is much difference in spool, and there should be a few more whp from the 1749. I am curious if there is are any gains from the Colt stage 2 cam.

GTB1749v - 35.4/49
PD140 - 34.1/46

I am going to get my car on the dyno soon and I will post the results.

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Old November 26th, 2017, 18:28   #65
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Only a but dyno for me. I will let you know what it reads when done

I don't know how many photos I can get during the process as it will add considerable amount of time to document it and I won't have much before having to go back to work. I will get what I can

Had to work through Thanksgiving and the weekend. Supposed to get Tuesday and Wednesday off. We will see
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Old November 27th, 2017, 06:05   #66
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Based on the wheel size I doubt there is much difference in spool, and there should be a few more whp from the 1749. I am curious if there is are any gains from the Colt stage 2 cam.
GTB1749v - 35.4/49
PD140 - 34.1/46
I am going to get my car on the dyno soon and I will post the results.
You'd be surprised what a couple mm increase can do. We replaced a 65mm inducer compressor wheel with a 67mm on my buddy's s400 and it completely killed his bottom end performance. It all has to do with the wheel profile, the way way it was made and the material. On the GTB1749vc it also receives a larger turbine wheel, the heavier material for turbine wheels usually results in a bigger difference when swapping out wheels in comparison to compressor wheels.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 20:14   #67
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Got the head removed today, started at 5pm and finished at 8pm



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Old November 28th, 2017, 06:31   #68
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Good progress! How did the oil feed line removal treat you? It took myself a little while, but that's only because I'm not the sharpest pencil in the crayon box.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 09:28   #69
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Getting it off the turbo was not a problem at all. Now I need to find out where the other end goes and undo the side. Looks like it runs around to the front of the block.

Is the breaded oil line supposed to attach to the same place?
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Old November 28th, 2017, 10:11   #70
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The oil supply line connects to the side of the filter housing. It's in a bit of a tight spot, removing it isn't difficult, getting the new braided line in without losing a waster was a bit of knuckle buster for my large and clumsy hands, George Carlin would be proud with my choice of words. Note the angles of the fitting on each side of the new oil supply line and make sure you're using the correct end.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 10:29   #71
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https://www.darksidedevelopments.co....o-upgrade.html
according to this, the pd140 is a gtb1749v?
I'm slightly confused haha.
I just purchased this kit. Excited to see how it does.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 12:44   #72
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The PD140 turbo is off an 8 valve PD rated at 140 hp engine with the BMM engine code, I believe it's a GTB1646v turbo. The GTB1749vc from Darkside if I remember right is a PD140 turbo with the CHRA swapped from a GTB1749vc off the 170 hp rated BMN 16 valve engine. The 16 valve engine's turbo is not a bolt on due to the manifold differences between the 8 valve head and the 16 valve head, hence why the CHRA is placed in the PD140.

The GTB1749vc has a slightly larger turbine wheel and compressor wheel than the GTB1646v.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 20:26   #73
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Got most of it back together. Turbo, cleaned and installed the Head, Intake cleaned, new injectors, new cam, rockers, erc. Need to put the belt back on, finish putting all of the tubes, wires, 3 bar map sensor, etc back in.

Some photos to start

Gasket surfaces cleaned up




Head & Studs installed, ready for the nuts.


More photos tomorrow

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Old November 29th, 2017, 18:00   #74
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Go everything back together. Thats the good part

The bad, getting a Cam code and no start. P3008. Is this related to the cam timing or is it a bad sensor? I did index/lock the crank and cam when putting it all back together. The cam bolts on the sprocket are about mid way

And I can't remember where this part goes. I am pretty sure it connected to the vacuum lines and ran behind the turbo to , maybe, the egr. Can't find any hose connection on the egr or around it.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 21:54   #75
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unplugged the cam sensor and it started. Hmm. Thinking the cam timing (torsion value) is too far off. Will double check the timing tomorrow

Hopefully Malone gets me my updated tune tomorrow so I can get this all done (as long as the cam sensor is fine)
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