Liklihood of a fix for the 1st Gen TDI?

worldadventurephoto · Feb 6, 2017

What do you think the liklihood that VW will come out with a fix for these cars within a year from now? My '12 Jetta 6MT has 39,998 on the clock and has been sitting week after week, month after month. Am I waiting for nothing?

GoFaster · Feb 6, 2017

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=5233868#post5233868

I would consider BleachedBora to be a credible source.

worldadventurephoto · Feb 6, 2017

Very interesting and uplifting news. Thanks so much for sharing that, as I hadn't seen that thread.

Airpizz6 · Feb 7, 2017

Probably a better chance than the Falcons ever winning the Super Bowl.

GoFaster · Feb 7, 2017

You did read the linked thread, right?

I, on the other hand, pay zero attention to (what Americans call) football. I do recall some team named the Falcons may have been throwing a funny shaped ball around this past weekend, but I don't know what the outcome was.

Jedadiah · Feb 7, 2017

My service guy said they expect the gen1 in a few months. He said gen2 would be last. Not sure if his source was official or rumormill, but he was pretty well informed about other aspects of the issue. Maybe he's a TDI club member....

sandmansans · Feb 7, 2017

GoFaster said:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=5233868#post5233868

I would consider BleachedBora to be a credible source.

Hey so don't take this question out of context, but what makes bleachedbora so credible?

I see that other forum members are touting what he says to be true, but how could someone that let's say doesn't know him, take what he says without a box of salt?

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MBQ · Feb 7, 2017

Jedadiah said:
My service guy said they expect the gen1 in a few months. He said gen2 would be last. Not sure if his source was official or rumormill, but he was pretty well informed about other aspects of the issue. Maybe he's a TDI club member....

Why does it take a few months? The deadline for VW to submit the fix plan for gen 1 was 1/27/2017 and EPA/CARB has 45 days to prove/disprove it, so we should hear the results in mid march.

GoFaster · Feb 7, 2017

sandmansans said:
Hey so don't take this question out of context, but what makes bleachedbora so credible?

I see that other forum members are touting what he says to be true, but how could someone that let's say doesn't know him, take what he says without a box of salt?

Look at my join date.

Look at BleachedBora's join date.

'Nuff said.

turbobrick240 · Feb 7, 2017

GoFaster said:
Look at my join date.
Look at BleachedBora's join date.
'Nuff said.

Not only that, but read a few of his posts and it should be quite apparent that he is extremely well informed on the subject of tdi's.

whitedog · Feb 7, 2017

sandmansans said:
Hey so don't take this question out of context, but what makes bleachedbora so credible?

I see that other forum members are touting what he says to be true, but how could someone that let's say doesn't know him, take what he says without a box of salt?

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BB is - in my opinion - one of the most credible sources on this site. I know him personally and have slept on his couch when his warehouse was a bedroom. He is level-headed, honest, has connections and won't go spouting things that he isn't sure of without a qualifier that he isn't sure.

How can someone new know that? Well, they can't, but they can listen to the opinions of those that know him or have been around long enough to know what he is like.

mrdavidalexander · Feb 8, 2017

Doesn't the fix have to approved for the gen 1 from the EPA. They haven't come out yet and gave there blessing. IF they do approve of it, when can I expect to get this fix and my restitution payment?

DanB36 · Feb 8, 2017

Yes, any fix would have to be approved by the EPA. If/when they do, you could get the fix some time later. I know that isn't very specific, but there really isn't any way to know how quickly VW will gear up to get the parts and training out to the dealers. FWIW, though, they were doing the Gen3 fixes within a week or two after approval.

IndigoBlueWagon · Feb 8, 2017

I thought I read that VW was supposed to submit its fix to the EPA by January 27, and the EPA is supposed to respond in 45 days. Something like that.

And BleachedBora is a credible resource. Of course anyone's info source can be wrong, but he has better connections within VW than most people here.

meerschm · Feb 8, 2017

So the middle of March would not be an unreasonable time to check in for an update.

GoFaster · Feb 8, 2017

The approval could, of course, happen any time before then. Mid to late March should be the deadline if all parties have stayed on schedule - but it could be earlier.

When parts will become available is quite another matter. It would be very unwise of VW to spend big coin tooling up for, and building, parts that eventually end up not being approved. I would think it would be a few months after that before repair parts start showing up in appreciable numbers - and a year wouldn't surprise me.

edit: It could be faster if they piggyback the new parts kit on existing parts originally meant for other applications so that they can use existing tooling. There's no way to know.

sandmansans · Feb 8, 2017

GoFaster said:
Look at my join date.

Look at BleachedBora's join date.

'Nuff said.

turbobrick240 said:
Not only that, but read a few of his posts and it should be quite apparent that he is extremely well informed on the subject of tdi's.

While I appreciate both points, neither validate what I asked. Being on a forum for a long time doesn't mean anything in itself. Neither does providing knowledgeable posts in regards to other subjects.

whitedog said:
BB is - in my opinion - one of the most credible sources on this site. I know him personally and have slept on his couch when his warehouse was a bedroom. He is level-headed, honest, has connections and won't go spouting things that he isn't sure of without a qualifier that he isn't sure.

How can someone new know that? Well, they can't, but they can listen to the opinions of those that know him or have been around long enough to know what he is like.

^^^ This however does make sense and answers the question. That he's a connected guy with credible industry sources.

It was nothing to be taken personal. Wasn't a direct attack or anything at all in that regard. It's just that this is the Internet where anyone can boast of owning 12 ferraris, having a billion dollars, etc.
Whitedogs post cleared it I know for me at least. He knows him personally and he knows that he's connected with credible sources.
Simple enough.

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gmcjetpilot · Feb 11, 2017

sandmansans said:
While I appreciate both points, neither validate what I asked..... This however does make sense and answers the question. That he's a connected guy with credible industry sources.
It was nothing to be taken personal. Wasn't a direct attack or anything at all in that regard. It's just that this is the Internet where anyone can boast of owning 12 ferraris, having a billion dollars, etc.
Whitedogs post cleared it I know for me at least. He knows him personally and he knows that he's connected with credible sources.
Simple enough.

No offense... nothing personal but please stop sandmansans.... You know,
should know, the status of the fix is indefinite or undetermined; solid answers
are improbable, doubtful, until VW announces the final status which they have
I recall until mid 2018 to make. However par for the forum, people enjoy asking
hypothetical questions and guessing and predicting... no need to complain about
the replies not appeasing or producing definitive answers. Yes turbobrick knows a
lot; his opinion and analysis worth more than mine and probably yours, no offense.
No need to be argumentative. Our lives do not depend on a Gen 1, not that important.

sandmansans · Feb 11, 2017

gmcjetpilot said:
No offense... nothing personal but please stop sandmansans.... You know,
should know, the status of the fix is indefinite or undetermined; solid answers
are improbable, doubtful, until VW announces the final status which they have
I recall until mid 2018 to make. However par for the forum, people enjoy asking
hypothetical questions and guessing and predicting... no need to complain about
the replies not appeasing or producing definitive answers. Yes turbobrick knows a
lot; his opinion and analysis worth more than mine and probably yours, no offense. .

Huh? What kind of drugs have you consumed tonight, this is a serious question for you, as typically your posts are not of the odd ball nature..as is the case with this one. Where have I been argumentative?

The previous answers, which by the way I wasn't argumentative about, didn't address the question. They essentially said "take our word for it" What's your suggestion then? That I or anyone else for that matter just say "oh okay, just cause so and so said so, it must be true...without knowing or having any background of said person?
Right, that makes a lot of sense!?

gmcjetpilot said:
No need to be argumentative. Our lives do not depend on a Gen 1, not that important
.

Please take this and any other future nutty rants to the dieselgate thread. I asked a simple question. Folks answered, some were insufficient and others were. That's it...I didnt argue with them, call them wrong, stupid, or anything else that would even begin to imply of what you tried to accuse me of etc. lol there was no arguing!!
....clear enough for you??

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turbobrick240 · Feb 12, 2017

That was unnecessary and unpleasant. And my response was more along the lines of "do your own research" , than "take our word for it".

sandmansans · Feb 12, 2017

turbobrick240 said:
That was unnecessary and unpleasant. And my response was more along the lines of "do your own research" , than "take our word for it".

?huh?

You said to look up his posts on tdi's, which I have seen before. To which I responded in a non argumentive manner etc was that his posts, while knowledgeable, didn't answer the question.
Being well informed on the subject of tdi's does not correlate to having insider knowledge.
Not only that, again this is the internet. I am just to blindly accept something that he posted? Something that no one else, no where else even hints at?

No, it was totally necessary.
As I was not argumentative with you or anyone else until he went off of his meds.

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turbobrick240 · Feb 12, 2017

Yeah, the snarky "are you on drugs" comment was unnecessary. If you ever hope to even remotely earn the level of respect here that guys like Bleachedbora have, those sorts of comments won't make it happen.

DanB36 · Feb 12, 2017

turbobrick240 said:
Yeah, the snarky "are you on drugs" comment was unnecessary.

Granted, but @gmcjetpilot's post was bizarre and not really related to anything that had happened in this thread--especially since @sandmansans had posted three days earlier that he was good and considered the matter settled.

Nobody here has unquestioned authority or credibility (other than the authority of the admins/mods), and respectfully questioning why any given source is considered credible should be entirely fair game.

sandmansans · Feb 12, 2017

turbobrick240 said:
Yeah, the snarky "are you on drugs" comment was unnecessary. If you ever hope to even remotely earn the level of respect here that guys like Bleachedbora have, those sorts of comments won't make it happen.

Perhaps and kudos to you for actually replying/posting something accurate this time. But the same way my comment wasn't necessary, neither was his. My comment was retaliatory, the same way your follow up comment was as well. Both unecessary and retaliatory in nature.

A little lesson on respect for you, it's a 2 way street. I don't live my life seeking the respect from you, him or anyone else for that matter. I treat folks the same way I am treated. I treat you nicely until you treat me otherwise, then at that point its fair game, as was the case here.

Another lesson in respect is to concede rather than try to build a point on b.s. when you know the other person is right fyi. ..go back and read the original comment and the ones that followed, both by yourself and others, and then sit down and use that brain of yours.

I'll give you the timeline:
I asked a simple and fair question.
You, him and others replied .
Some replies weren't sufficient, others were .
I replied thanking and respecting each reply, then stating in more detail as to why I asked the question. You know to clear the air just incase someone tried to take it out of context such as you have.
The other guy gave his left field response.
I gave my own left field response.
You jumped in and tried to defend his honor with your own left field response.
I followed up with another left field response. ...etc.
Now do you see the beginning, middle and now hopefully the end?

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sandmansans · Feb 12, 2017

DanB36 said:
Granted, but @gmcjetpilot's post was bizarre and not really related to anything that had happened in this thread--especially since @sandmansans had posted three days earlier that he was good and considered the matter settled.

Nobody here has unquestioned authority or credibility (other than the authority of the admins/mods), and respectfully questioning why any given source is considered credible should be entirely fair game.

Thanks Dan for being a voice of reason.

I'll admit, my response to his comment was at a level 35 a-hole. But frankly it was and still is a head scratcher and as you mentioned, it was in reply to his equally bizarre post.

As you mentioned, no one on here. Myself included, has unquestioned authority. That was the sole purpose of my innocent question.

Thats why its so surprising, as i have mentioned before both him and turbo van usually don't post in this variety/fashion.
I'll chalk it up to a full moon and move on.

Can we all agree to do so?

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turbobrick240 · Feb 12, 2017

sandmansans said:
Perhaps and kudos to you for actually replying/posting something accurate this time. But the same way my comment wasn't necessary, neither was his. My comment was retaliatory, the same way your follow up comment was as well. Both unecessary and retaliatory in nature.

A little lesson on respect for you, it's a 2 way street. I don't live my life seeking the respect from you, him or anyone else for that matter. I treat folks the same way I am treated. I treat you nicely until you treat me otherwise, then at that point its fair game, as was the case here.

Another lesson in respect is to concede rather than try to build a point on b.s. when you know the other person is right fyi. ..go back and read the original comment and the ones that followed, both by yourself and others, and then sit down and use that brain of yours.

I'll give you the timeline:
I asked a simple and fair question.
You, him and others replied .
Some replies weren't sufficient, others were .
I replied thanking and respecting each reply, then stating in more detail as to why I asked the question. You know to clear the air just incase someone tried to take it out of context such as you have.
The other guy gave his left field response.
I gave my own left field response.
You jumped in and tried to defend his honor with your own left field response.
I followed up with another left field response. ...etc.
Now do you see the beginning, middle and now hopefully the end?

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Yeesh. Relax. Absolutely no need to be so thin-skinned.

whitedog · Feb 12, 2017

I'm not one to advocate smoking pot, but there are times.

There are times.

gmcjetpilot · Feb 12, 2017

turbobrick240 said:
Yeesh. Relax. Absolutely no need to be so thin-skinned.

Turbobrick, I have been down this road before. Cheers.

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