Farfromovin
Torque Addict
I'd say try Vortex but you may be stuck holding that R32 upper half for quite some time... If you didn't already have the VR6 Maf holder I'd say it's more beneficial to use the R32 MAF as it's larger anyway... Just my .02
upgraded OEM intake snorkle
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ibanix
Veteran Member
Yeah, but plumbing the 3.25" R32 MAF holder is harder, I'd need to mate it to a 3" OMI, which means a reducer in there somewhere... and sourcing a R32 MAF holder will be a pain.
Got my VR6 MAF holder for $35 =)
Got my VR6 MAF holder for $35 =)
Farfromovin
Torque Addict
I got my VR6 airbox for $35 too! LOL I forgot you are using a OMI and not an OEM TIP. The stock PD150 flex pipe stretches over the R32 housing kinda like the 17/22 compressor outlet hose... Tight.
ibanix
Veteran Member
Ok, got the R32 lower and snorkle on today. Using the TDI upper box/maf until I have the parts for complete VR6 and 3" OMI conversion.
Battery box fit without modding, but was tight against the snorkle. The cover fit without issues, but the bracket for the relay box did not, and I broke one part of the battery box mounting point for the bracket. Oops.
The only real pain was those plastic rivets that are used to hold the lower piece into place. I had to break all of 'em, and used M8 bolts, washers and nuts to hold the R32 unit on.
Driving impressions: Seems a little bit louder, but hard to tell, because my straight exhaust is already pretty loud. Spool up is quicker.
Going to want a retune after I switch to the VR6 parts to get the most out of this.
Battery box fit without modding, but was tight against the snorkle. The cover fit without issues, but the bracket for the relay box did not, and I broke one part of the battery box mounting point for the bracket. Oops.
The only real pain was those plastic rivets that are used to hold the lower piece into place. I had to break all of 'em, and used M8 bolts, washers and nuts to hold the R32 unit on.
Driving impressions: Seems a little bit louder, but hard to tell, because my straight exhaust is already pretty loud. Spool up is quicker.
Going to want a retune after I switch to the VR6 parts to get the most out of this.
Bazmcc
Veteran Member
You do know the centers pop out of those clips/rivets you broke?
After that they almost fall out.
After that they almost fall out.
ibanix
Veteran Member
I think you have different ones, are or thinking of other ones. These didn't have center pop-outs.
Bazmcc
Veteran Member
Are you sure? Any I've taken apart have been the same. Sometimes they're very well put together and don't appear to have them.
ibanix
Veteran Member
If I could have gotten these out easier, I sure would have. Tried to figure it out for a good 15 minutes before I just decided to break 'em.
tivoKlr
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tivoKlr
Veteran Member
hehe, been there
I had to rip apart the front end plastics to change the oil on my snowmobile before the snow started flying and there were similar clips all over the place. I broke most of them before I figured out how to take them apart the right way. Salvaged enough of them to put the oil pan back on but had to order a dozen or so to get the side plastics back on right.ibanix said:
Farfromovin
Torque Addict
I'd really like to see a dyno proven 8-12 hp increase on our TDI's with that CAI. I don't think I've ever seen a dyno showing that CAI's are worth anything on TDI's. On the other side, I haven't seen a dyno just from an R32 snorkel eithertivoKlr said:
Either way, I prefer OEM. I know I can drive through puddles without worry of sucking in water and I prefer OEM filtration. Just my opinion though.
ibanix
Veteran Member
The TDI is very sensitive to air filtration - witness the issues with K&N filters and MAFs. Some users of CAIs have reported hydrolock when a cone filter has gotten sufficiently wet / under water.
Most of the guys here pushing big power are using some variant on the stock intake; ask Justin and Peter.
Most of the guys here pushing big power are using some variant on the stock intake; ask Justin and Peter.
Farfromovin
Torque Addict
It's funny, I was watching "Two Guys and a Garage" the other weekend and they visited the K&N factory. The K&N guy swore up and down they have never ever seen any proof of oil on a MAF from a K&N filter...
I think there's a few guys here who have ran up big power on a CAI of sorts though. The "trend" seems to be with OEM stuff though. I've never seen testing or logs for either side as to which is better though.
I think there's a few guys here who have ran up big power on a CAI of sorts though. The "trend" seems to be with OEM stuff though. I've never seen testing or logs for either side as to which is better though.
ibanix
Veteran Member
It's K&N! It must be good!
tivoKlr
Veteran Member
Having dealt with this on a motorcycle, and having dodged that bullet when my turbo let go, I think I'll stick to OEM with the drain hole in the airbox...ibanix said:
thanks.
graeme86
Veteran Member
I put on the R32 DSG snorkel with no other mods and ran before and after VAGCOM logs:Farfromovin said:I'd really like to see a dyno proven 8-12 hp increase on our TDI's with that CAI. I don't think I've ever seen a dyno showing that CAI's are worth anything on TDI's. On the other side, I haven't seen a dyno just from an R32 snorkel either
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2772457
There was a small but appreciable gain noted.
Farfromovin
Torque Addict
Good to see it DOES make a difference, even if it was on an R32...
Nash_TDI
Veteran Member -TDIClub Enthusiast
Edit:
I re-read portions of the thread and figured out my answer. I guess I will get a vr6 airbox and modify it or buy the euro air box and use a vr6 MAF and Lid.
I re-read portions of the thread and figured out my answer. I guess I will get a vr6 airbox and modify it or buy the euro air box and use a vr6 MAF and Lid.
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Farfromovin
Torque Addict
If I had to do it over again, I would just get the R32 airbox and R32 maf holder. You can get the new euro R32 DSG airbox (top and bottom with new filter) from 1stvwparts, then just locate a used R32 maf on vortex forums. Get your re-tune and your all set. The reason for this? Well, you can either go VR6 or R32 for MAF. R32 is bigger (not much, but it is). You have to either cut up your stock TDI box or buy the entire R32 box just so the R32 snorkel fits. May as well do it right, and go full R32 the first time. I have the VR6 maf and top box with R32 everything else and would like the R32 MAF instead. Probably wouldn't be much different but if your going in there and replacing all the parts, why not go with the best upgrade possible? (all I need now is a used R32 maf since I have the upper R32 box in the garage).
Nash_TDI
Veteran Member -TDIClub Enthusiast
Yeah, from reading I guess the r32 is 1/4 inch bigger than a pd150 or vr6. But unless you have a custom TIP or OMI then all that is 3". So why not match the MAF holder to it?
Farfromovin
Torque Addict
Well, you may have a point. The R32 MAF will fit the PD150 flex pipe. It's a snug fit, but it works. I just figure with a larger opening in the airbox for the MAF and the MAF itself being bigger, it can't hurt anything. How much more flow would the R32 over the VR6 setup be? I don't know, not much I'm sure. My point though is that if your already replacing everything, I'd just get the biggest setup possible OEM wise, and that's the R32. Cost difference is negligible AFAIK.
ibanix
Veteran Member
I am dreading the PD150 OEM tip, or replacement+hose, either way is expensive
Tbirdtree
Veteran Member
Quick question:
What is the size of the nipple for the vaccum line next to the MAF? Thanks,
Tom
What is the size of the nipple for the vaccum line next to the MAF? Thanks,
Tom
Tbirdtree
Veteran Member
UPS delivered the last part needed to complete this mod. Hopefully the weather will cooperate tommorow...
Farfromovin
Torque Addict
Tbird, your running an R32 MAF? When I did the upgrade, my VR6 airbox top doesn't even have a vacuum nipple so I just vent the N75 to atmosphere with a small k/n type dry filter just in case. If I could, I'd rather use the R32 top box though... Let me know if your setup makes a lot more intake noise? Mine seems to.
Tbirdtree
Veteran Member
No, I've got a VR6 MAF and top. I was planning on putting in a nipple on the top if I can get one in the morning, other wise I'll just do the same as you did. I'll let you know how it sounds hopefully by tomorrow evening
Tom
Tom
Tbirdtree
Veteran Member
Got everything together today, except for the part under the headlight. I'll do that at the same time I install a larger side mount IC (hopefully in the next week or so) I can definetly hear the turbo a bit more, but other than that everthing else sounds the same. Still need to retune to the lager MAF housing, but I didn't really notice any extra lag and the turbo spools up quicker for sure. Feels like there is more power as well, placibo? Either way I'm happy with it except for the cheap connection from the OMI to the MAF. Hopfully get that figured soon.
gunns112
Veteran Member
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That beats my kitty litter box Justin lol lol lol
That beats my kitty litter box Justin lol lol lol
SchonerGTI
Active member
But how the ALH/ATD snorkle compares to the TDI150?
Since i plan to upgrade to the bigger TDI150 MAF i can only change the upper part of the airbox without removing the lower to insert the larger maf i thing but about the snorlke, is only different or the TDI150 one is bigger?
Since i plan to upgrade to the bigger TDI150 MAF i can only change the upper part of the airbox without removing the lower to insert the larger maf i thing but about the snorlke, is only different or the TDI150 one is bigger?
Bazmcc
Veteran Member
The snorkles on the ALH and ATD and PD150 are the same.
The MAF has got nothing to do with the snorkle.
I think you are talking about the Turbo intake pipe.
The MAF has got nothing to do with the snorkle.
I think you are talking about the Turbo intake pipe.