Krfar
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Did you guys catch this? http://www.volkswagen-nutzfahrzeuge.de/int/en/models/amarok/highlights/tdi.html
New Passat TDI confirmed for U.S.
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Dooglas
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That is certainly where the engine in my '06 Jetta was built. Engine from Poland and final vehicle assembly in Mexico.Lee_Taylor said:
LRTDI
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If BMW can open a plant in Spartanburg SC, and ship their product all over the world from there, without any apparent loss of BMW level quality, I am confident that VW will achieve the same goals with their new factory in TN.
If Spartanburg's experience is anything to go by, go buy real estate within 10 miles of the new factory. the GSP area has boomed since BMW came on board.
GSP = Greenville-Spartantburg
All BMW drivetrains are imported from Germany. I would expect that VW will follow their current Mexican practices.
If Spartanburg's experience is anything to go by, go buy real estate within 10 miles of the new factory. the GSP area has boomed since BMW came on board.
GSP = Greenville-Spartantburg
All BMW drivetrains are imported from Germany. I would expect that VW will follow their current Mexican practices.
frugality
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When Mercedes launched the M-class SUV in Alabama, it was a nightmare, with quality issues that lingered for years.LRTDI said:
Snoozer
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More on Engine Sourcing
According to this article:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/apr/20/county-to-pursue-vw-drivetrain-plant/
Chattanooga is trying to get the drivetrain business also, however the assembly plant "initially will obtain its engines from existing facilities in Mexico and Germany."
Also: "Officials have said that Audi production could work in Chattanooga, but at a later time."
According to this article:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/apr/20/county-to-pursue-vw-drivetrain-plant/
Chattanooga is trying to get the drivetrain business also, however the assembly plant "initially will obtain its engines from existing facilities in Mexico and Germany."
Also: "Officials have said that Audi production could work in Chattanooga, but at a later time."
DickSilver
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VW in South Africa makes 2.5 litre TDI engines and they are shipped everywhere else. That size engine is used in Eurovan-sized vehicles, however. As far as I know. Anymore, a part may be built anywhere that expertise and efficiency have been developed.
pgenis
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TDI engines are being built in Poland.
Mine 2006 Jetta TDI engine was manufactured there. They put a sticker on the car about it.
Mine 2006 Jetta TDI engine was manufactured there. They put a sticker on the car about it.
GTIDan
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Wrong:TomB said:
I was visiting my dealer and checked out a new Golf TDI on the showroom floor. The sticker said the motor was assembled in Hungary the trannie in Germany....
My Mexican Jetta TDI's sticker says. Engine: Germany, Trannie: Germany.
tuscTDI
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They're still lingering, but the key word in your statement was "Mercedes". With the way their corporate structure was and has been changing the problems should be expected.frugality said:
I think VW will do quite well in Chattanooga.
ruking
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03 TDI sez from all over dah place!! To wit, engine is/was from Germany. 5 spd manual transmission is/was from Argentina. Final assembly point Puebla, Mexico. 8 percent of the parts are from US/CN.
09 TDI sez: engine is from Germany. DSG is from Germany. Final assembly point (still) Puebla, Mexico. USA/CN gained a whopping 12.5% in parts content, now @ 9%.
I do NOT know this to be true, but pre DPF days 2007/2008, I read that VW was going to get parts from NY state for the DPF.
09 TDI sez: engine is from Germany. DSG is from Germany. Final assembly point (still) Puebla, Mexico. USA/CN gained a whopping 12.5% in parts content, now @ 9%.
I do NOT know this to be true, but pre DPF days 2007/2008, I read that VW was going to get parts from NY state for the DPF.
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domboy
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My 03 Golf finally assembly point was Brazil not Mexico. Difference between Jetta and Golf perhaps??ruking said:
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ruking
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I would think so , as it does make a certain amount of sense to concentrate the "expertise".
MyAvocation
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No HPFP failures, you say? Dealers unaware, say you? Seriously?GTIDan said:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=280693
nj1266
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I think GTIDan was referring to the dealer HE spoke to. I got the same answer from the dealer I spoke to. Both of us are from SoCal and the diesel fuel quality is high. It also rarely rains or snows here, so water contamination is not a big problem.
I have yet to read about an HPFP failure in SoCal. The ones I read about are from other parts of the country.
I have yet to read about an HPFP failure in SoCal. The ones I read about are from other parts of the country.
snoopis
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Not to be a downer, but I'm not sure I saw anything in the OP to indicate they will be selling this new midsize sedan in the US with a diesel. It just says they will be building it here and it will be available (somewhere) with a TDI.
It wouldn't be the first time someone built a car in the US, dropped a diesel in it, and promptly shipped it across the Atlantic.
It wouldn't be the first time someone built a car in the US, dropped a diesel in it, and promptly shipped it across the Atlantic.
Snoozer
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While the VW TDI website did not specifically state that the NMS would be available in the US with a TDI, the press release was certainly directed at a US audience. It doesn't seem like good business practice to purposely dangle the prospect of a diesel powerplant in front of the target audience (people interested in TDIs) and then not deliver. Just my $.02
GTIDan
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You are correct; I've only spoken to two dealers both of which are located in Orange county, California and neither has had any issues with the HPFP (2009/10 models)nj1266 said:
bthorpe
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Jetta 06 Dual Mass Flywheel with DSG Transmission (6spd Auto)
The DMF is a Dual Mass Flywheel. The advantage of a DMF is smoother power delivery and less noise, vibration, harshness. But because it's two parts instead of one, it can fail, and has failed at higher than expected rates on DSG. A slipping belt chrip, soft grinding, or metalllic rattling at idle noise may be indicative of failing DMF. There is something about early DMF flywheels on the VW DSG that has proven to be not durable. A few DMF even liberated themselves from the transmission with spectacular results and as a result, all newer DMF were redesigned (new part is VW # 03g 105 255be, for DSG) and should fix this issue. Cars equipped with the old part are mostly out of warranty. DMF were actually recalled in Australia but not in the US so if you have a problem, report it to the NHTSA (National Highway Traffice Safety Administration) and maybe something might happen.
If anyone has experienced an issue with the DMF flywheel, I would like to hear from you.
The DMF is a Dual Mass Flywheel. The advantage of a DMF is smoother power delivery and less noise, vibration, harshness. But because it's two parts instead of one, it can fail, and has failed at higher than expected rates on DSG. A slipping belt chrip, soft grinding, or metalllic rattling at idle noise may be indicative of failing DMF. There is something about early DMF flywheels on the VW DSG that has proven to be not durable. A few DMF even liberated themselves from the transmission with spectacular results and as a result, all newer DMF were redesigned (new part is VW # 03g 105 255be, for DSG) and should fix this issue. Cars equipped with the old part are mostly out of warranty. DMF were actually recalled in Australia but not in the US so if you have a problem, report it to the NHTSA (National Highway Traffice Safety Administration) and maybe something might happen.
If anyone has experienced an issue with the DMF flywheel, I would like to hear from you.
abctdi
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bthorpe should start a whole new thread...
Wouldn't it be sweet if they (VW) would import the Amarok from S. America since that is where they are building it. Geeeez I wonder how many thousands they would sell. Maybe its just me but with the gas prices getting ready to shoot thru the ceiling I just can't imagine VW passing this up....but then again VW is very good about snatching failure from the jaws of success and costing thereselves a ton of money...DickSilver said:
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Scant news, but a picture is emerging...
There is very little real info out there on the new VW from Chatanooga. Magna Seating has apparently secured a contract for making some components (seats, and it's other subsidiaries, probably much more). Here is better info on this news from American Machinist.
Car and Driver has those photos of the new midsize sketches (mostly photos of existing Passat and CC models), but no more real information. They talk about VW reducing costs and making it bigger than Passat or CC. "but retaining that german autobahn feeling". Somehow, I am skeptical. Bigger? That is fine if you are not looking for a much more efficient Polo with a 1.6L 60mpg. If these plans are to be followed...once again, the Golf and Jetta TDIs remain the most sensible VWs that we will have available (unless you want something bigger and less efficient).
Of course, Fiat will bring the 500 here by the time the new car from Chatanooga rolls out. Nice looking little car with a nice little high performance engine. That will give the expensive Smart and Mini cars a good run for sales! Not for me, but I look forward to seeing them!
There is very little real info out there on the new VW from Chatanooga. Magna Seating has apparently secured a contract for making some components (seats, and it's other subsidiaries, probably much more). Here is better info on this news from American Machinist.
Car and Driver has those photos of the new midsize sketches (mostly photos of existing Passat and CC models), but no more real information. They talk about VW reducing costs and making it bigger than Passat or CC. "but retaining that german autobahn feeling". Somehow, I am skeptical. Bigger? That is fine if you are not looking for a much more efficient Polo with a 1.6L 60mpg. If these plans are to be followed...once again, the Golf and Jetta TDIs remain the most sensible VWs that we will have available (unless you want something bigger and less efficient).
Of course, Fiat will bring the 500 here by the time the new car from Chatanooga rolls out. Nice looking little car with a nice little high performance engine. That will give the expensive Smart and Mini cars a good run for sales! Not for me, but I look forward to seeing them!
dieselyeti
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I have an email from VW's PR director, Steve Keyes, in which he said the NMS will be available with the TDI in Fall 2011, and the new MkVI Jetta TDI will be introduced this Fall.snoopis said:
jasonTDI
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Golf are built in Brazil or Germany.domboy said:
Transmissions come from Germany or Brazil. It all depends on the car, the year and the trans type so lets knock this bickering off on where it was made. It really does not matter.
jimmybling31
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i'm looking forward to vw in chattanooga. it will be a good thing for our economy.
LRTDI
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If BMW's presence in the GSP area of SC is anything to go by, it will be a hugely positive economic effect in your area.jimmybling31 said:
But BMW exports vehicles to the world from SC, will VW export from TN to the ROW or keep the production in North America? If the latter, the plant will be more affected by regional economic changes than a plant that exports to the ROW
LOL that's one of the funnest things I've read. Yea, not one of the 3 dealer in my area had heard anything about DMF failures when mine started to fail.GTIDan said:
So it must not have happened right?
Oh wait, that's right took over a year for the TSB to come out.
You must be new to VWs, the dealer is the last place to go for actual knowledge on a VW.
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VW exporting from US?
I think it is very unlikely that VW will use relatively expensive American labor to produce a vehicle for anywhere except the North American market (it is not just hourly wage, but health insurance costs). Import quotas seem like the primary reason for domestic assembly, but the bigger picture includes a few more reasons why the Chattanooga plant will supply North American market only (maybe Canada, probably not Mexico).
VW does not charge a premium for their cars (not as much as BMW does, anyway), and shipping costs are significant to to get to other continents. SUVs don't sell that well in other markets, but midsized cars are again becoming the big deal in US (SUVs losing ground), so Honda makes Accord here. Toyota and Subaru actually make Camry and Legacy sedan in the same plant! These assembly lines don't contribute to the import quota. VW is just catching up with those other automakers on NA assembly.
As far as TDI is concerned, no other market needs to meet the cleaner particulates standard, which has an impact on fuel economy and production cost (not sensible to sell it elsewhere). TDI production is all ready established on other continents anyway. The engines are built elsewhere, so the additional customization needed to meet CARB is apparently implemented in final assembly anyway. But based on recent announcements, VW might be shifting away from TDI in the American market (hybrid, electric).
If VW can export a car from Chattanooga to anywhere and still make money on it, I would be very very surprised.
It must be a pretty tight margin getting Golf TDI here from Germany. I suspect that they need the market presence, so they are allowing us to buy it. The Golf is a very impressive looking little car, and it adds to VW's North American footprint. We are lucky to have access to the Golf TDI.
LRTDI said:
I think it is very unlikely that VW will use relatively expensive American labor to produce a vehicle for anywhere except the North American market (it is not just hourly wage, but health insurance costs). Import quotas seem like the primary reason for domestic assembly, but the bigger picture includes a few more reasons why the Chattanooga plant will supply North American market only (maybe Canada, probably not Mexico).
VW does not charge a premium for their cars (not as much as BMW does, anyway), and shipping costs are significant to to get to other continents. SUVs don't sell that well in other markets, but midsized cars are again becoming the big deal in US (SUVs losing ground), so Honda makes Accord here. Toyota and Subaru actually make Camry and Legacy sedan in the same plant! These assembly lines don't contribute to the import quota. VW is just catching up with those other automakers on NA assembly.
As far as TDI is concerned, no other market needs to meet the cleaner particulates standard, which has an impact on fuel economy and production cost (not sensible to sell it elsewhere). TDI production is all ready established on other continents anyway. The engines are built elsewhere, so the additional customization needed to meet CARB is apparently implemented in final assembly anyway. But based on recent announcements, VW might be shifting away from TDI in the American market (hybrid, electric).
If VW can export a car from Chattanooga to anywhere and still make money on it, I would be very very surprised.
It must be a pretty tight margin getting Golf TDI here from Germany. I suspect that they need the market presence, so they are allowing us to buy it. The Golf is a very impressive looking little car, and it adds to VW's North American footprint. We are lucky to have access to the Golf TDI.
LRTDI
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In comparison to EEC, the US is a very CHEAP labor market. US made cars sold in EEC for example commonly sell for a far higher price than in the US. Go check Jeeps, Chryslers and look for yourself.dubStrom said:
The BMW plant is the sole worldwide production location for the X5, X6 and the new X3 that will be introduced shortly. BMW ships all engines etc to SC from Germany then exports the car with these same engines installed. So there are many BMWs out there whose engines have travelled from Germany to the US and back again, before seeing a dealership.
As for Honda, Honda builds the Civic, Accord (all variants) Pilot, MDX, Odyssey in the US.
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VW Statement Strong for the US Market
Great News about the mid-size sedan being made in TN. The statement that VW is making in in the US Auto market is wonderful statement for what is to come from VW in the near future. The make and sell more cars than anyone else in the WORLD. Only the best is yet to come for the VW Family. Many thanks, for the great cars to come from TN.
Great News about the mid-size sedan being made in TN. The statement that VW is making in
in the US Auto market is wonderful statement for what is to come from VW in the near future. The make and sell more cars than anyone else in the WORLD. Only the best is yet to come for the VW Family. Many thanks, for the great cars to come from TN.