Do we have any current biodiesel sources in the GTA?

Victor Huge · Oct 20, 2011

From what I read, the station at Queen and Pape is done serving bio and all the other ones are far enough that it wouldn't seem practical. I've held off on asking about it for almost a year hoping that someone would announce something but it hasn't come up. So, any sources?

Jetta_Pilot · Oct 20, 2011

Queen and Pape stopped selling BIO at least two years ago.

Even if someone somewhere sells it, they would usually stop selling it going into the cold season.

Victor Huge · Oct 20, 2011

Depressing

sinc · Oct 21, 2011

There is a bio diesel co-op in Erin, Ontario. They are producing their own now versus previous years they were buying from another source up north. $50 for a yearly membership and prices are usually better than regular diesel. Everpure I believe it's called.

CmdrData · Oct 21, 2011

Depressing indeed, I'll have to drive 1.5hr to get to the station sinc mentioned above if I want bio. I know what some of you is going to say, we drive diesel so that's no big deal BUT time is the issue here. 3hrs to get a tank of bio is just too much.

rhskcdn · Oct 21, 2011

You may want to read some of Brian's posts.

TDIFred · Oct 21, 2011

UPI on Hwy 24 southwest of Guelph has Diesel3000 (2%, 5%, 10%) but I believe you need a fleet card to get it: http://www.upienergylp.com/environment/diesel.php

Jetta_Pilot · Oct 21, 2011

I just want to say for what its worth, a few years ago I was almost empty and happened on a truck stop in Texas (Carl's truck stop) on I-35 Southbound, which sold BIO.

Now on these trips it is strictly Interstate driving, so my mileage is quite consistent, no matter where and what brand I fill up with.

I got the worst mileage ever using the BIO diesel, considerably less mileage as a matter of fact, as far as I am concerned that was the first, last and only time I'll ever buy it.

Victor Huge · Oct 21, 2011

I just want 2% bio to be standard in all honesty, that would be good enough.

Johhny04 · Oct 21, 2011

Victor Huge said:
I just want 2% bio to be standard in all honesty, that would be good enough.

2 or 5% is going to be standard in Ontario in the next year or so. There was a law passed on July 1, 2011 that has made 2 or 5% Bio mandatory in all diesel. Do a search for the newspaper articles. We just have to sit and wait till they start implementing it.

TDIFred · Oct 21, 2011

Jetta_Pilot said:
I just want to say for what its worth, a few years ago I was almost empty and happened on a truck stop in Texas (Carl's truck stop) on I-35 Southbound, which sold BIO.

Now on these trips it is strictly Interstate driving, so my mileage is quite consistent, no matter where and what brand I fill up with.

I got the worst mileage ever using the BIO diesel, considerably less mileage as a matter of fact, as far as I am concerned that was the first, last and only time I'll ever buy it.

Geez man! You're not doing it for the mileage! Back when Truck Town Terminals sold B100, I bought some on Earth Day and it felt like Mother Nature wrapped me up in a big furry blanket (warm and fuzzy feeling!)
and the car liked it too!

Jetta_Pilot · Oct 21, 2011

You're right Fred, I'm voting with my wallet!

Brian_Spilsbury · Oct 22, 2011

Since solving my fuel problem, I am back to being a happy camper when it comes to BIO but that's at 50% or less, I think, to be on the safe side.
The coop has depots in Orangevilla and Acton as well as Hillsburgh and Guelph. Make the drive up there with 3-4 fuel cans, and get your winter supply. You are only using a few liters per tankful after all.
Once I cleaned out the fuel system of the crud from a bad blend of BIO from 2 yrs ago, plus the scum that came from bad dino, the car is back to running great again. Even on close to 100% I consistently get between 1000 and 1200km per tank and the exhaust smells nice too.
I had a bad feeling I was going to have to rebuild the IP as part of the repair but that looks like it's OK now as well.

ksa63 · Oct 22, 2011

My last tank of Soy B-100, early Oct., I travelled over 1200K before needing to fill again. I'm now cutting back to B-50+ till freezing temps arrive then I'll go to straight diesel for the winter.

Where there is a will there is a way to get your biodiesel fix. The Erin co-op is one option, buying in bulk (1000L+) from an Ontario supplier is another or maybe you'd like to purchase a few cans from someone who does purchase in bulk (me) to get a little bit to mix.

Making it is not that hard to do either, small batchs of 30L took me an evening to make and another to wash, it was a little messy though. If you wanted more volume and scaled up to do it you could take over some significant realestate in your garage, I know; between needing the room and not interested in making it any more I stopped processing it.

Anyways, B-100 is always available somewhere if you really want to use it.

Victor Huge · Oct 24, 2011

From reading this article, one would guess that biodiesel should now be in our fuels!
http://www.ec.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=714D9AAE-1&news=51700503-B277-4951-9DDD-2CDDE62C501A

Is this the case? I haven't seen any mention of it at the stations, but it would definitely mean those with CR can quit worrying as much.

Ooop; I just read this; http://www.ec.gc.ca/lcpe-cepa/default.asp?lang=En&n=44ACCDAD-1&offset=2&toc=show

A.29: Why don’t the regulations specify the start date for the requirement for 2% renewable content in diesel fuel and heating oil?The results of an assessment of the technical feasibility of renewable fuel in diesel fuel and heating distillate oil should be available later in 2010 to inform the Government’s decision regarding the appropriate start date for the renewable fuel requirement for diesel fuel and heating distillate oil.
A.30: Why are there requirements relating to diesel fuel and heating distillate oil, when the 2% requirement is not yet in force?
The regulations allow any renewable fuel in any liquid petroleum fuel to be used to meet the 5% renewable fuel requirement for gasoline. In this regard, the regulations are fully integrated in that distillate compliance units may be created, traded and used to meet the renewable fuel requirement for gasoline. In addition, the Government intends that the renewable fuel requirement for diesel fuel and heating distillate oil will come into force in 2011 (pending the successful demonstration of renewable diesel fuel use under the range of Canadian conditions – under the assessment noted in question A.29). Including the regulatory structure for both requirements provides regulatees with a clear indication of the form that the renewable fuel requirement for diesel fuel and heating distillate oil will take.

.. and it thorougly confused me.

OhMagoo · Oct 27, 2011

I dropped 25000 litres B5 into Taylor Fuels in Cambridge last night...the card lock

TDIFred · Oct 27, 2011

OhMagoo said:
I dropped 25000 litres B5 into Taylor Fuels in Cambridge last night...the card lock

those guys have the worst price in town, even worse than Shell

Wingnut · Oct 27, 2011

Hey Peter. Is B5 a common delivery for you now, or is it just the odd station here & there? Any places in the east end that you deliver B5?

OhMagoo · Oct 28, 2011

Wingnut said:
Hey Peter. Is B5 a common delivery for you now, or is it just the odd station here & there? Any places in the east end that you deliver B5?

Only places I know that carry B5 regularily are the CO-op cardlocks. and I think that is a hit/miss thing. Nothing I know of out east, Nigel.

Victor Huge · Nov 5, 2011

Does Olco still have b20? The one at 35 Old Kennedy Rd, Markham?

Also, anyone know when b2 will be standard? I can't find much more info other than it's supposed to happen, no confirmations though

Do we have any current biodiesel sources in the GTA?

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