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Old August 9th, 2019, 07:30   #4936
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Really doesn't matter to me anymore as I am only buying good used vehicles now. A few thousand dollars got me a one owner, 2000 Silverado LT Z71 4x4 and was in excellent condition except for worn out sun burned leather seats and steering wheel which I replaced for about $800. There was a dent in the passenger side where a deer was supposed to have hit him, right in front of the rear wheel. I just popped the dent out and you couldn't really tell it was ever dented. Most of the other trucks, including small ones, were in really bad shape in that price range. It only gets occasional use and I am not paying $20k to $80k for a new version. I wanted a good used tiny truck but couldn't find one in any kind of shape, so this one will have to do. Moving my Dad back from Wichita, Kansas to Austin, Texas this weekend and bringing all his stuff and towing his car back with it.
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Old August 9th, 2019, 09:57   #4937
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I understand. Ford, Chevy, Toyota and Nissan all had them at one time. I had a Toyota and worked the heck out of that thing. But giant is in and tiny is out currently. I was hoping VW would do a mini truck with a diesel here in the US. I had even thought about the alh Jetta truck conversion at one time. Runonbeer was building one of those back some time ago.
Yes I saw Robby's Jetta ALH truck conversion. Very neat and in today's larger truck environment it would stand up, or should I say 'stand down' :-)
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Old Yesterday, 03:18   #4938
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On the state of electric vehicles and their viability: as of mid 2019, they are still toys for rich boys principally. When Tesla first released the S model sedan, I cheered because I realized that only deep-pocketed vanguards could float such a radical concept. But when the model 3 came out (6 ish years later?) and didn't compete with the (at the time, cheapest of their model lineup) 3-series BMW it was aimed at, I groaned. Still too pricey, and no hatchback? Stupid choice, imo. Before you start nitpicking pricing of a 3 series versus a model 3, consider that BMW has kept ahead of them by releasing a cheaper, smaller 2-series.
Chevy Bolt, BMW i3, and other electric cars still look so stupid, like they're styled by drunk college students.
Maybe in 5 or 7 years I will be able to pay cash for an electric car worth owning--not sure, but we'll see.
According to one libertarian author, its even worse:
If “Emissions” Actually Mattered . . .
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EVs are popular with the affluent – who want to signal their virtue – but not if it means driving something like an ungainly and far-from-speedy Prius. A Tesla is sexy and speedy. It blows Corvettes away – and goes over well with their friends who drive BMWs and Porsches, also soon to be electrified.
But their emissions aren’t zero.
And unlike hybrids, they make as much sense for most people – who need to think about things like cost and range and recharge times – as driving around the block to cross the street.
It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.
EV's such as the Tesla model S may use more energy created by burning fossil fuels than currently available hybrids that are slower but much more thrifty. He may not have his figures in line, since EV's also are pretty frugal with MPGe figures that are pretty high, but the jury is still not finished. We are not consistent in our approach IMO.

Interestingly, if a hybrid is still better overall than your average "rich person's" EV, where do diesels fit in? For a while, a good diesel could do better than a hybrid. Food for thought....
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Old Yesterday, 06:17   #4939
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They were advertising the camry this morning of being able to hit 40 on the highway with the gasser and 53 around town with the hybrid. The big selling point was that it was the sportiest camry ever. Not a very hard thing to accomplish for a toaster.
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Interestingly, if a hybrid is still better overall than your average "rich person's" EV, where do diesels fit in? For a while, a good diesel could do better than a hybrid. Food for thought....

Says the guy with a Bimmer and a Jag in the garage . Not everyone who buys an EV does so to virtue signal to the world how green they are. I think it was a genius move for Tesla to start off with premium EV's that have amazing performance. Eliminating the stigma of EV's as tiny little weirdmobiles is a key step in getting the public to embrace the technology.
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Says the guy with a Bimmer and a Jag in the garage . Not everyone who buys an EV does so to virtue signal to the world how green they are. I think it was a genius move for Tesla to start off with premium EV's that have amazing performance. Eliminating the stigma of EV's as tiny little weirdmobiles is a key step in getting the public to embrace the technology.
Sure it is a good start.

EVs becoming mainstream in the US will have its own pace, such as "what is the rush?"
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EV's such as the Tesla model S may use more energy created by burning fossil fuels than currently available hybrids that are slower but much more thrifty....
Yes, a Tesla Model S might use more energy to go down the road than a Prius. But a motorcycle might use even less still! Those are comparable right?

Back in the real world, compare the efficiency of the Model S to a larger engine'd Audi S7.

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OK, so let's use the single worst grid region for GHG emissions in the US, MRO East, which appears to cover most of Wisconsin and parts of Iowa and (upper peninsula) Michigan. I'll use the current Model S, as well (older ones are less efficient than this).

And, keep in mind that a Prius has an EPA rating of 52 MPG combined. I don't quite get that, my winter efficiency and short tripping means I have a lifetime average of 50.6 MPG.

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A 2019 Tesla Model S Long Range charged in 53558 produces about as much global warming pollution as a gasoline vehicle getting 42 miles per gallon.
So, you're right, in that case. The same is true in HICC Oahu (which is pretty self-explanatory) and SERC Midwest (covering most of Illinois and Missouri and parts of Iowa), which have similar emissions.

In SPP North (basically Kansas):

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A 2019 Tesla Model S Long Range charged in 67201 produces about as much global warming pollution as a gasoline vehicle getting 50 miles per gallon.
That's getting very close to what a Prius gets.

In WECC Rockies (almost all of Colorado, much of Wyoming, parts of Nebraska, South Dakota, Utah, and Montana):

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A 2019 Tesla Model S Long Range charged in 80201 produces about as much global warming pollution as a gasoline vehicle getting 52 miles per gallon.
That's EPA for a Prius, right there.

Every other grid region is better than this. (I'm in RFC West, where it's equivalent emissions to 56 MPG.)

The closest grid region to the national average, ERCOT All (almost all of Texas), and it's slightly worse than the national average:

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A 2019 Tesla Model S Long Range charged in 78701 produces about as much global warming pollution as a gasoline vehicle getting 67 miles per gallon.
And, none of this is considering things like adding home solar (which I get it, many people can't do, many states have hostile policies towards it, and many homes are badly situated for it) or subscribing to a renewable energy plan when available (which I do, generation to offset my usage is guaranteed to be 100% from wind).

And, as compu_85 pointed out, the Model S is a much bigger, much faster, much more expensive car than the Prius.

Let's go back to MRO East, and use a Model 3. I'll use the Standard Range Plus, just to make my point even more. (It's slightly more efficient than the Standard Range even though it's the same car - I'm guessing slight variations in charging losses are now important enough at these efficiencies to get noticed in the test cycle.)

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A 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus charged in 53558 produces about as much global warming pollution as a gasoline vehicle getting 51 miles per gallon.
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