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Old December 27th, 2006, 18:46   #16
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One might argue that the last real Saab was the last of the two-stroke 93 or 95s (I forget which number it was). I had a few friends who loved these cars. A friend in high school had a monte carlo 850 two stroke. The freewheeling was a bit odd on the highway, as was the four speed column shifter. But fun.

TDIs have been around for 12 or more years. We should have some that are getting close to 1 million miles, but I rarely hear about cars having more than the low 300s.
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Old December 27th, 2006, 18:53   #17
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Except the 2-stroker smokers had a German engine in them. Cannot remember who made them, DKW maybe? They also used Euro Ford V4s for a while too.

My neighor growing up had a 2-stroke Saab. Noisy smokey little thing, but it was unique. Sounded like an angry chainsaw. Smelled like one, too, except sometimes he would use the scented oil (he was big into Vespas, too). Then it smelled like pine needles. And oil. On fire.
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Old December 27th, 2006, 19:22   #18
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Auto Union. DKW. You're right. Predecessor company to Audi, ironically. My dad used to say "If the headlights are close together and you can't hear it coming at you it's a Saab. If you can hear it it's a Land Rover."
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Old December 27th, 2006, 19:45   #19
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However, the last REAL Saab automobile was the 1993 900. That body was based on the old 99 from the '70s and soldiered on in limited numbers until the '94 replacement.
Like the current 9, the 1994-1998 SAAB 900 was based on the Opel Vectra platform, which has always been one of the better cars from GM of Europe. Still, this was not befitting of SAAB's "upper middle class" image -- today, GM is selling rebadged Opels here under the Saturn brand.

BTW: for the European market, production of the SAAB 99 continued long after the larger 900 was introduced, including a 1984-1987 version called the SAAB 90, which was a 99 from the B-pillar forward and had the rear half of the 900. Meanwhile, even the oddball SAAB 96 continued in European production until January 1980!

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Everything else, starting with the 9000s in the late '80s, has been Euro-GM. Which is essentially Opel (Germany) and Vauxhall (UK), with some leftovers going to Holden (Australia) here and there.
The SAAB 9000 was based on the so-called "Type Four" chassis, shared with the FIAT Croma, Lancia Thema, and Alfa Romeo 164 -- no GM involvement there. The original styling was by Giorgetto Giugiaro, and was shared most closely with the Croma and Thema. The 164 used updated styling by Pininfarina and only shared the platform with the rest of the "Type Four" cars. The SAAB 9000 was in production from 1985 to 1998, and it used a wide array of 4-cylinder and V6 engines, ranging from 130 to 225 HP.
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Interesting. I recall lots of GM parts and badging under some early 9000s. Maybe it was something else I am thinking of.

All I know is that the 9000 has as much in common with the 900 as an Oldsmobile.
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Old December 27th, 2006, 19:56   #21
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TDIs have been around for 12 or more years. We should have some that are getting close to 1 million miles, but I rarely hear about cars having more than the low 300s.
The first TDI engine was a 2.5L inline five-cylinder introduced in the European Audi 100 in 1989, while I believe the common 1.9L 4-cylinder version was introduced in Europe in 1994. However, the TDI was not introduced in North America until the 1996 model year, and in Canada and Europe the TDI overlapped with production of older-design IDI diesel and turbo-diesel engines until at least 1997.
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Old December 27th, 2006, 19:59   #22
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1994 is what I'd been told, too. So that's 12 or 13 years. Surely enough to put a million miles on a car.
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Old December 27th, 2006, 20:08   #23
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Around 75,000 miles a year since new is what it would take.
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Old December 27th, 2006, 20:10   #24
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and that escort company I mentioned was running nearly 1000 miles a day
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Old December 27th, 2006, 20:28   #25
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and that escort company I mentioned was running nearly 1000 miles a day
Here in NJ there's a guy who has a 1985 gasser Golf and worked for a messenger service. By 1996 his Golf had 690,000 miles on it -- original engine, with one rebuild at around 600k due to a blown piston (?). Original paint, too!

When I last saw it a few years ago it had around 810,000 miles on it. I haven't seen him or the Golf since then, but according to his web site, last updated in July this year, he still has it.

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Old December 28th, 2006, 06:04   #26
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Yep, the inline VAG watercooled gas engines are pretty stout. Should easily last as long as the diesels if properly cared for.
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Old May 25th, 2013, 20:35   #27
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We need to find a TDi to brake this record !

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16070928/
I have a 96 Passat TDI I bought new. Only had 3 breakdowns. Last week I turned 657,000 miles. Still runs great and still great mileage per gallon. Should be good for 1,000,000+ miles
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Old May 26th, 2013, 03:28   #28
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A 1966 Volvo P-1800S owned by Irvin Gordon of East Patchogue, New York, USA, had covered in excess of 4,586,630 km (2,850,000 miles) by December 2010. The car is still driven on a daily basis and covers over 160,000 km (100,000 miles) per year, thanks in part to being driven to numerous car shows and events in Europe and the USA.
Apparently that is the recognized hi miler.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...ehicle-mileage
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Old May 26th, 2013, 03:40   #29
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We need to find a TDi to brake this record !
I need 14 more years.


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and that escort company I mentioned was running nearly 1000 miles a day
That's sick....I'd need a 33 hour day and no sleep for that....(and yes I know I'm quoting you from over 1/2 of a decade ago!)

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I have a 96 Passat TDI I bought new. Only had 3 breakdowns. Last week I turned 657,000 miles. Still runs great and still great mileage per gallon. Should be good for 1,000,000+ miles
Nice! Go man go!
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Apparently that is the recognized hi miler.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...ehicle-mileage

correct me if I am wrong but I believe this is a Volvo promotion now and not a guy with real miles on a real original engine and trans....Volvo keeping this car alive at all costs and keeping Irv in a salary to keep driving the car to nutty mileages....I suppose you can keep anything on the road forver if the budget has NO limits.....But...you gotta hand it to him for spending that much time in that old tin can....I doubt my wifes new S60 will go that long! lol....back on topic it will be fun when we see an actual site member cross 1000,000 miles.....wont be me....
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