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Old September 5th, 2019, 06:13   #226
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They excel in South America and parts of Africa, too. So much so, they build MANY models there, for there. And even a few for export.
I started this thread yesterday about a new Brazilian designed VW coming to market next year.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 08:32   #227
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I started this thread yesterday about a new Brazilian designed VW coming to market next year.
Yep, let's hope it is better than the last one... the Fox. Which wasn't really "awful", but it wasn't really that great either.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 11:59   #228
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The newer Fox was bad. But this one was nice, in a basic kind of way.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 12:42   #229
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The newer Fox was the same thing, the only difference was they gave it a minor facelift which was essentially just the flush mounted headlamps, and they went from CIS (K/KE-jet) to Digifant (VAG's watered down Motronic) and made the 5sp standard (early cars were 4sp, with the "GL5" having the optional 5th gear).

I knew those cars all too well. I owned a few, tried to buy the final two '93s remaining at our dealer in '95, dust and flat tires and all. They would not take a cash deal. They were MSRP'd at $10,500, I offered them $16k for both. Cash. They refused. Went to a different dealer and bought a new '95 Golf GL instead. Mostly out of spite.

Those same two '93 Foxes sat there at least another year, in the back of the lot, one had a window smashed. No idea what ended up happening to them. Sad, they were brand new unsold cars.

The Fox was an outdated design really even in '87 when they came out. The only thing they had going for them over similar priced cars was a bigger, better engine, and they were fuel injected. Stripper Sentras had TBI, though, and the base 323 was EFI. But the Tercel had an awful VV carb, the base Civic still had a carb, and the rest of anything in that price range was a royal piece of junk. The Fox did have the unique 2dr wagon version though, akin to similar models from earlier times from Volkswagen as well as Ford and GM. I had an '89 4dr sedan and an '88 2dr sedan. The wagon version was dropped before the facelift, though.

We did a lot of heater core recalls on them, and it seemed like the only people that bought them were the cheapest of the cheap people and they were rarely cared for properly. They were also a bit of an odd duck in that no automatic transmission option was available, and the manuals they used (both the 4 and 5) were notoriously fragile. Pretty sure they were just revamped old B1 Passat (Dasher here) gearboxes that were never really designed to handle the output of the 1.8L engine (even in its detuned form in a smaller lighter car). We had lots of relatively low mileage cars with broken transmissions towed in, which of course totaled the car. It was sort of a running contest to see who had the biggest tow in crap pile: broken Foxes, broken 096/01M cars, Suzuki [any model] with a rod hole in the block, or any number of burnt to a crisp Nissan models (fuel leaks). VW/Nissan/Suzuki dealer.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 13:03   #230
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Yep, let's hope it is better than the last one... the Fox. Which wasn't really "awful", but it wasn't really that great either.
My previous TDI, a 2002 Golf GLS, was assembled in Curitiba, Brasil. The manual transmission came from Argentina and I believe the engine was shipped there from Germany. All in all a fairly trouble free car.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 13:07   #231
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Yes, but that was not a "Brazilian" car, it was merely assembled there. The Fox (which was only called that here) was the Gol/Voyage/Parati model which WAS designed AND assembled in Brazil. There have been other Brazilian Volkswagens too, but the Fox was the only one we ever got aside from some Peterbilt/Kenworth branded medium duty cabover trucks which were exported to Europe and other parts of the world as the Volkswagen L80.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 13:15   #232
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It's the global trends that will determine which products VW will put their developement euros into. The US isn't a huge market for VW. Europe and China are their bread and butter.
Correct.

If VW continues to do business in the US will be by selling more and more gasoline powered SUVs. A VW built Tiguan EV (or similar size) with minimum 250 miles of range will be at least $60K, and it will be unlikely this price will drop too much in the next few years (my prediction). With this cost you can buy an Audi Q5 (gasoline powered) right now and have money left over for a few years of scheduled maintenance and fuel.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 15:19   #233
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The US market has not made a profit for VW for a long while and with the EPA cheating it will be a long time before it does as well
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Old September 12th, 2019, 08:47   #234
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I REALLY want a SKODA wagon with a 6-speed Stick shift...and a diesel engine...

"She'll be driving 6 white UNICORNS when she comes" sung to "Coming 'round the mountain"...

If the EPA sticker on any car is worth anything, MY right foot can CHEAT it six ways from Sunday! Is it cheating if you KNOW how to drive??
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Old September 15th, 2019, 22:44   #235
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I was online looking at TDI's yesterday and was very surprised to see 2012, 2013, 2014 TDI's being sold. I was under the impression that only the 2015 models had been OK'ed to resell. Is that the case or were the ones I saw not involved with the buy back program. Seemed to be pretty low mileage. Anyone point me to an article on the changes made and what to expect as far as mileage. Thanks
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Old September 16th, 2019, 03:15   #236
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All TDIs from '09 and later can be fixed and re-sold. Buyback cars cannot be re-sold without being fixed. This has been going on for well over a year. There are lots of enthusiasts out there who had sold back their TDIs and now are owners again.
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Old September 16th, 2019, 07:53   #237
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Except for 2012-2014 manual transmission Passats. Those can't be fixed IIRC, and therefore can't be resold.
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Except for 2012-2014 manual transmission Passats. Those can't be fixed IIRC, and therefore can't be resold.
Correct, buyback NMS manual cars cannot be re-sold. Sad. But if owners kept them they can re-sell them.
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I was online looking at TDI's yesterday and was very surprised to see 2012, 2013, 2014 TDI's being sold. I was under the impression that only the 2015 models had been OK'ed to resell. Is that the case or were the ones I saw not involved with the buy back program. Seemed to be pretty low mileage. Anyone point me to an article on the changes made and what to expect as far as mileage. Thanks
Besides the people that caved in and sold their TDIs back, some didn't; a friend of mine dug his heels in, refused to sell his 2014 Audi A3 TDI back, it took forever, but Audi/VW eventually fixed it, and it seems to run better than before Deiselgate. I'm convinced he's not the only person that refused the buyback, and he still has his, but I assume some people that stuck their ground are selling their TDIs, on the used market now. So there's probably that going on too.

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I wouldn't use the term "caved" for those who took the buyback. I sold my Jetta back, and was glad to be rid of it due to numerous little issues that would have cost big dollars to fix, including bodywork. My Passat, however, was a struggle, because there was nothing wrong with it. In the end it was all about the dollars. The buyback offer was just too good to pass up.
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