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Old Yesterday, 08:13   #2986
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Originally Posted by CraziFuzzy View Post
As i mentioned, though.. there should be no reason to need to upgrade the entire home just to add EV charging capability. I have seen plenty of old homes with a new service panel feeding 'new' loads, and the original panel and wiring still in place and running as a subpanel from the new one. Cheap to do, and relatively low impact. This provides a decent base to allow future renovations to easily eliminate the old ungrounded wiring a little at a time, with new circuits running to the new service panel, until the old panel is relieved of its duties. In any case, it has little to no impact on the viability of EV's. $1,000 for the new service panel install (that's if paying someone to do it), and $300 to run power to the garage, and $400 for a charger (if you even need one - depending on needs, many (myself included) get by just fine with the 12A 120V EVSE that came with the car.

Many states offer tax incentive and credits for ev charging infrastructure, and this can often installation costs (in this case, the new service panel would be a part of the EVSE install).
We did this 30 years ago when we bought our first house. The previous owner paid for part of it since the service coming in wasn't up to code anyway. The electrician then separated the lights and plug services from any higher loads, such as laundry, kitchen, and furnace blower. His comment then was if the knob and tube was in good shape, live it alone.
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Old Today, 09:51   #2987
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The towing/hauling problem I have run into is payload. For example you can get a Tacoma that has the towing capacity for the occasional towing, but when RV'ing you bring the family and stuff. So tow a 3500lb trailer with tow capacity of 5000lbs, BUUUT payload is only 1150lbs and between tongue weight and several people you bump against that limit before you even put bikes and coolers in the bed of the truck.

BTW - rough numbers for example. Options such as AC, sunroof, power seats, 4X4 and transmission will affect payload and the exact numbers.

But this is part of the reasoning why people are driving around in big 1/2 ton and even 3/4 and 1 tons as daily drivers. And like others have said, if I just dropped $50k to $60k on a truck, I'm not going to buy a car just to save gas the rest of the time. The tax, insurance, license, and purchase price of a second vehicle would buy a lot of fuel for the gas hog.

Change of subject.

I am surprised code does not require update from K&T when the circuit is touched. And by replacing the main breaker all circuits would be touched. Supposed that depends on locality and more specific to the actual repair/replacement as to what code would require?

On that subject could you add a secondary panel for the garage and/or electric vehicle charging? Tie into mains before existing panel? Also possible some power companies or localities would give tax breaks or incentives to assist in the upgrades?

Oh, and on fast charging - Tesla limits you on how many lifetime fast charges you can do. So the take away is always fast charging does degrade the battery at a faster rate than slow charging. What that means in the real world is use standard charge for most of what you do, like when you get to work and its going to sit all day. Only do fast charge when say battery is run down and emergency such as kids hurt and have to get to doctor, or you are on a long trip for vacation and not practical to wait all day for recharge

If and when we are in the market for a new (not used clunker) car I think an electric would fit at least one of our commutes, if not both. Interesting idea though - who has TWO electric vehicles and has the electric service to handle charging both? Both on capacity of wiring and actual charging hardware.

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