Ask those with 01M transmissions, DMF issues, balance shaft issues, cam wear, glow plugs, etc. how VW treated them with known engineering problems. To think VW is going to extend warranties is folly based on past performance. One year from now, this conversation will be very, very different for 09 and 10 owners, as miles start to accumulate.
They are showing up pretty regularly now on places like eBay with 100,000. We had one post here where a guy was looking at one with 200,000.
This can and does happen with every single car on the roads today.
Where have you been for the last 15 months?????
In short, no.
But in this case it will be related to the HPFP imploding and followed by a major lawsuit to VW and Bosch.
There are many safety related recalls that were initiated and no one was killed. Most recently the fuel line damper recall. How about the DSG temperature sensor, "false neutral" recall. I don't recall anyone being killed to get VW to do these "safety" recalls. How many "false neutrals" and leaky fuel lines were there? It's not how many had the issue or whether someone was injured or killed due to the issue, it's about the potential for something bad to happen.
Fuel pumps fail all the time. Read up on Equinox's fuel pumps.
My only point is the possibility of a fuel pump failure is a part of every car on the road.
While I have seen postings from owners with HPFP failure, I don't remember seeing multiple postings about owners unloading their TDIs because they were concerned about failure. And I haven't seen anything in the auto press (car and driver, Road and track, etc) warning purchasers to stay away from VW diesels. Maybe you have?Where have you been for the last 15 months?????
I understand what people are saying but there seems to be confusion on what constitutes a "safety defect" and the subject of a recall vs a "random" failure of a part that could also result in injury / death or a law suit.
Right now, as far as we know the facts, the HPFP failing are quite random. As I've noted a few times. Read about how many pump failures Chevy is having with the Equinox.
In the end it might be. I'm simply saying that one should not count in it simply because a failure will lead you stranded.
To look at it another way.....VW recalled the fuel lines. It was shown that this could cause a fire. If VW had decided that these lines were failing because of poor fuel quality, they would still have to recall.It would seem to me that a vehicle stalling while driving due to a failure of a fuel pump "poses a risk to motor vehicle safety." But, do such failures "exist in a group of vehicles of the same design or manufacture, or items of equipment of the same type and manufacture." Hence, I believe this is what needs to be shown in the EA phase of NHTSA investigation. But, again the question in my mind is does "poor quality fuel" get VW off the hook.
I'm sure you are correct about what the various groups are doing. If those resources were applied on an engineering fix, this company would get a big gold star. Instead we get the typical deny/delay/shuffle blame response that certainly spewed from an MBA type mind, and not an engineer's. Just fix it already, it is not that hard. Or tell us that is fixed, if that is the case..
Correct, the whole point is that this NHTSA investigation is not about being left stranded. It's about safety.
Yes, O.K., I see what you are saying here.
Sure, I'm simply saying I doubt very seriously that the NHTSA will force a recall simply because the car could break down someplace you would rather it not.
My point wasn't about this particular case. It's about pumps failing and the likelyhood of the NHTSA forcing a recall because of that as it related to safety. It's IMO low to non existant.
In your example, IMO the HPFP would be recalled if found beyond normal failure rates also as a mistake or engineering failure as opposed to a safety issue.
They do.
Classic hpfp failure and parts list. There are a good number of DIESEL hpfp failures that have been misfiled as GASOLINE in the NHSTA info.
