DubFamily
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So send an e-mail to all of them and get the ball rolling
NHTSA Update on CR HPFP failure investigation
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South Coast Guy
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I think the best you can expect from VW is to repair/replace HPFP systems if it fails. There will be no buyback or recall. The rate of failure is very low(<1%). Next best would be for VW to extend warranty to 120K miles (but that would exclude owners with higher mileage).
darrelld
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You could just print warning flyers and attach them to the inside of your back side windows with the warnings about HPFP and point them to this thread for more info.
It will carry more cred if it has happened to you. Another option is for concerned TDI owners to drive through VW dealer lots on Saturdays during peak customer traffic times with those notices on your windows.
Blackheart
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Of course, you're not trying to alert others to the problem, as you have no dog in the fight, unless you have a car in question that you haven't noted in your signature. So, I agree...people like you, without a reason to get this story out, certainly don't see any reason for the story to surface. For those of us that could be impacted, it's up to us, and some of us find reason to believe we will be heard at some point.
I've been talking to Michael Karesh at TrueDelta.com. He's given me some good advice, and all of us with these cars should be waving flags and making noise about it. Or, it will be as Second Turbo says...no change.
tomo366
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WRONG.....Just need to get a water separator from west marine
squeegee_boy
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What, exactly, constitutes having a dog in the fight, as I've seen multiple times in this thread? I, for one, would buy a Sportwagen so fast it would make your head spin, were it not for my serious concerns that after the HPFP locks up, my wife or kids might lose three toes to frostbite before they're rescued. And then to find a potential no-warranty coverage as icing on the cake? My dog in the fight is that I am putting a huge amount of fuel into my dead-reliable E-350 van while I continue to look for a decent, reliable wagon to replace it for 90% of my driving. My dog in the fight is not buying a car that would otherwise perfectly fit my needs, while waiting for the next generation (2013? 2014?), only to find that VW no longer wants to sell a station wagon in the USA like Volvo, Subaru, Audi, Ford, and others. Or that TDIs are no longer worth the trouble in the US to Volkswagen.
If I end up spending $38,000 on a BMW 3-series wagon because it is the only other wagon in the United States with a manual transmission, when all I really wanted/needed was a $26,000 TDI wagon, then I consider myself as having a dog in the fight. Sorry for the rant, but I don't think that the only people with a dog in the fight are those who own the subject TDI models. I never owned an Oldsmobile diesel in the 1980's, but it has affected the diesel car market in the United States irrevocably. If Volkswagen cements the diesel image as ticking time bomb, I think every person who owns or would potentially own a diesel car in the future has a dog in the fight.
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nyrussell
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really? why? it would seperate the water from the fuel before going into the tank... Or you have no clue what I am talking about. this fuel seperator works directly at the pump. I need to get the large one again as I am burning fuel at a prodigious rate right now...WRONG.....
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Blackheart
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I was addressing an individual, that, to my knowledge, has no TDI, nor does this individual wish to have one.
If you are THAT gung-ho about wanting a TDI, but, won't buy one until this HPFP issue is addressed to your satisfaction, then, you can be said to be an interested party, i.e., "have a dog in the fight". I certainly wouldn't want you to feel left out if you want to be included!
chudzikb
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Spot on! My sentiments exactly, and with VW's track record on other issues, not a chance this gets fixed till a redesign. They fixed the 2.0 cam follower issue with a redesign after 2 years on the market. So, they know how to fix a similar issue. Just no love for the diesel, or they really think it is not an issue? Which it truly is not, till it happens to you!
IFRCFI
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The Passat was their redesign. Different pump / lower pressure, water to air intercooler, and Urea. The Passat has more profit margin to absorb this, while the Golf/Jetta don't.
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chudzikb
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If you missfuel them they go as well. And I think there was one that just went. I am starting to think the solution is an oil bath on the pump cam, just as in the 2.0 motor. I think they added lobes on the cam to reduce the stress on the redesign of the 2.0 motor. (gas)So the Passat doesn't blow up?
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bhtooefr
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The trick is that most markets that have crap fuel also have lower emissions standards, meaning they can use older or lower pressure designs.
So, a crankcase oil lubricated HPFP would pretty much just be for North America. And, there's nothing off the shelf that's both high enough pressure and small enough for a TDI (the ones that are high enough pressure are all designed for semi trucks). Plus, it'll be a lot more expensive, which VW won't want to do for obvious reasons.
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So, a crankcase oil lubricated HPFP would pretty much just be for North America. And, there's nothing off the shelf that's both high enough pressure and small enough for a TDI (the ones that are high enough pressure are all designed for semi trucks). Plus, it'll be a lot more expensive, which VW won't want to do for obvious reasons.
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aja8888
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There was a Passat HPFP failure reported here recently.
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GoFaster
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IIRC that one had only 5000 mi on it. I wouldn't expect the design changes made to the Passat's fuel system to reduce the risk to zero; you can still have the occasional off-spec manufactured components. At this point, the Passat HPFP doesn't seem to blow up anywhere near as frequently as the Golf/Jetta HPFP's do. If the design changes took away the systemic issue and left behind only the actual failures from out-of-tolerance manufactured parts, which are likely to fail very early under warranty, that's good enough for me.
If the Passat HPFP failure reports start building in the next 6 months then of course, all bets are off.
Lower operating pressure is always A Good Thing from the pump's point of view - doesn't matter what kind of pump you are talking about, lower pressure means less stress on everything.
GTIDan
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I agree..........when your on a forum like this one and everything gets blown out of proportion it's to easy to forget that there or tens of thousands of TDI VW CR cars out there running just fine. So far mine is one of them.
IN the case of my dealer the few they have had were ALL fixed without any questions asked by VW under warranty. They don't even check the fuel.
amy1000
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I see you have a #TDI# 2010 candy white...just like mine. I hope you don't go through what I did when my HPFP failed. Good luck.
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Thunderstruck
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Nobody knows what the true rate of failure is, other than VW, and they ain't talking. Even their info might be considered as slightly suspect since its validity is based on dealer diagnosis of what's wrong. It's not cause for concern unless it happens to you, right?
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I believe on the KESSY models, the steering wheel locks when the engine shuts off.
kjclow
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To VW, it is probably not an issue since the failure numbers are so low. They may decide at some point to only cover those failures that happen whil eunder the drive train warranty. I hope that they determine it is in the best interest of repeat sales, to cover these failures at least up through 120,000 miles or more.
Of course the problem with looking at repaet sales on this site is almost meaningless. It seems the majority of the bloggers here will keep their diesels until you pull the keys from their cold dead hands.
Post 4211 - Well said Squeegee Boy!
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Plus 3 Golfer
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I highly doubt it.
Honda did something similar with the transmissions of the automatic Accord V-6 in early 2002. There was a design defect in the reverse gear, so they sent a letter out to all owners saying the transmission was covered to 100K miles.
I'd hate to experiment with my car, but I'll see when the lock releases. I'll try not to crash.
kjclow
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100K doesn't thrill me but it's better than nothing. My 2000 beetle had a drive train warranty to 100K
, so i hope that VW would come up with something better than that.
Plus 3 Golfer
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It's not when it releases, it's when in gear and the engine fails, does it lock?I'd hate to experiment with my car, but I'll see when the lock releases. I'll try not to crash.
That would be a significant safety issue if the steering wheel locked when the engine quit.
turbocharged798
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A TDI is still a baby at 120K...
When mine failed I was able to steer without an issue into near by parking lotIt's not when it releases, it's when in gear and the engine fails, does it lock?