But the Yaris still uses less dieselseftonm said:
Hmm, the Passat TDI broke the figures right out of the box. In town is easily 30 mpg and out of town exceeds 41.MrMopar said:
the wife gets 47-49mpgAcidhead said:It's been reported that those hybids don't get the mpg as they claim. Also there have been questions about how long that battery might last which is unknown at this time and the cost to replace it won't be cheap.Also another issue that you don't hear is that if a hybrid is in an accident and the battery is ruptured,EMT's will wait for the fire dept haz mat team to respond first before helping. And as someone that works with haz mat I can tell you that you will be handed a bill for the clean up and that will be expensive. Your insurance policy may not cover that only because its not the policy.
Sorry just wanted to bring those points up. However I always got better mileage than what was claimed. I get 42-45mpg
Like the article said.
Yeah, I wouldn't spend a penny on the current guinea pig gas hybrids. I'd much rather enjoy my TDI and wait for a Diesel Hybrid. Those will offer some real nice MPG and won't need to be falsely inflated by the EPA for sales like the pius. Current hybrids can't even beat my TDI for MPG (unless I happen to be driving in the inner city all day...which is never!) so I wouldn't even consider them special in any way accept that they will pave the way for the diesel hybrids. I do look forward to seeing those come out, the MPG they offer will actually make them worth the extra money (unlike current hybrids).Acidhead said:It's been reported that those hybids don't get the mpg as they claim. Also there have been questions about how long that battery might last which is unknown at this time and the cost to replace it won't be cheap.Sorry just wanted to bring those points up. However I always got better mileage than what was claimed. I get 42-45mpg
Right you are. My TDI got 47 MPG on the first highway trip I took. No break-in period needed to exceed the EPA listing. The yaris is a nice car if you like tiny tin boxes with no room. It weighs much less than a TDI and it still doesn't do as good as a TDI on MPG!! A diesel Mini Cooper would be nice.nawlej said:
Actually, early reports have the new 08 model TDI getting 60 MPG. It may be a bit optimistic but with a 6 speed stick and Common Rail tech, it could come close. That certainly would keep the TDI at the top of the list. And the extra weight is nice because it makes the car more suitable for driving w/out that cramped feeling all the time. These new TDI's are solid and very safe while still being sporty with excellent handling, I appreciate that about them.supton said:
How are the current hybrids "guinea pigs", and the future diesel version not? These "guinea pigs" have been on market for a few years now, and the sky hasn't fallen on them just yet. Over-hyped, yes; over priced, yes; but hardly a flop.Txst said:
Never said they were a flop. I said I wouldn't spend a penny on the current hybrid guinea pigs (which is what they are). Being out a few years hardly makes them have a history. They offer very little. A diesel hybrid OTOH would offer very good MPG. Well above anything we see right now for sure. My TDI still easily beats any current hybrid on the highway. Therefore; nothing special from any hybrids at this point. If I'm gonna have to fork out huge bucks for a hybrid battery, it better be in a car that can offer much better MPG than any currently can because I'm not going to drive around the inner city streets all day just to try and beat a TDI in the MPG area. You can either settle for an ugly pius (which the TDI still beats easily on the highway for MPG) or get some other expensive gas hybrid that offers nothing special. Neither of these choices are any good IMO. I'll wait for a diesel hybrid...that would actually be worth purchasing because of the high MPG. For what the current hybrids offer, it wouldn't be wise IMO to gamble on them being worth it in the end. A diesel hybrid would offer the kinds of MPG numbers that IMO would be worth taking that step. Besides, many of the bugs that are being worked out of current hybrids will also help with future diesel hybrids so they won't nearly be as much of a "guinea pig". Certain areas of course will be new, but many areas will have been covered and advanced. Therefore; current hybrids are over-hyped and over-priced guinea pigs, while not being nearly as cute as the real thing! ;-)supton said:
Of course I realize the diesel hybrid will need a similar battery. When did I ever say that a diesel hybrid wouldn't need a battery? That's why they call it a hybrid!! I was saying that if I was going to spend a huge amount of money on a battery for a hybrid car, the car had better get much better MPG than any hybrids currently get. Initial cost of a diesel hybrid may be slightly higher, but the huge savings in fuel will pay for itself in a short amount of time and then the savings adds up incredibly fast.supton said:
I'm with you on that...I would prefer a 50-60 MPG TDI as well. But if I was in the market for a hybrid, it would be a diesel hybrid in the near future and not the current guinea pigs they are pumping out right now that aren't very impressive (especially for the cost). Forget the yaris or pius and get a TDI. But for hybrid lovers...a diesel hybrid will make much more sense. I hope to get many good years out of my TDI, then I'll see what's new. Hopefully there will be many options (unlike now as far as diesels). I'm liking the looks of the new 07 Mini Cooper with the Peugot diesel engine. They're dumping the old and slow toyota engine they were using.MrMopar said:
