Is my dealer jerking me around, or am I being unreasonable?

kremer

Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2010
Location
Minneapolis
TDI
2002 Golf
I recently purchased a 2002 Golf TDI from West Side Volkswagen. I was excited to find exactly the car that I was looking for at the dealership that I have dealt with in the past. I have never had any issues with cars purchased from them in the past, and they are the place I would take a used VW to get it checked out, so I figured I didn't need to take it to a 3rd party mechanic. Boy was I wrong! The car has 110,000 miles on it, but I expect a dealership to be selling a mechanically sound vehicle, especially a VW dealership selling a VW.
I did ask about the lack of cargo cover for the car, and they said they'd look into it. They gave me the completely wrong owner's manual (2005 Jetta) and said they would remedy that. (I finally ended up with a 2003 Golf, which is close enough to have accurate info, and I had them pull my radio code for me.) After the sale was complete, they gave me ONE single key for the car. When I asked about it, they said they'd work on that another time. I'm familiar with Murphy's law, and didn't want to go home with only one key, so I paid the $150 to get a new key from the parts department before going home, since the salesman now had my money, and he was too busy to help me with that one.
During my test drive, I noticed that the drivers side seat heater was not working at all, but that was really the only thing I could pick out before I purchased the car. They agreed to fix that as soon as they could schedule service, and I was fine with that, since it has been 90 degrees out lately, and I won't need my seat heater for a couple months.
Once I got home, I noticed that they had the dome light turned all the way off, so I switched it to the "door" setting. The dome lights are actuated by both the door, and also by the remote, so over the next couple days, I noticed that the lights were only responding to the remote, and not to the drivers door...and also I sometimes got into my car and fiddled with things for a minute, and the alarm would rearm itself. I called my salesman and asked him to add the door sensor to the repair order for the seat heater. He says fine. I'm already a bit wary...did they have the dome light turned off in the hope that I wouldn't notice the door sensor thing?
I took my car in when scheduled, and they fixed the door sensor, but told me that they didn't have the part for the seat heater, so I would have to bring it in another time for that. Why did they schedule the service if they didn't have the part? I told them it was probably the heating element worn out, they agreed with me, they determined that was the actual problem, but they didn't have the part. Strange?
After I took my car in for that service, the very next day a CEL came on. I drove it back to the dealership and asked them to scan it. They told me the CEL went away, and it must have just fixed itself! I told them I would be back when the CEL came back. Sure enough, a couple days later it came back, and I brought it back and stayed with my running car until I could watch them scan it. Coolant temp sensor, it turns out. Schedule service again.
When I showed up for the service appointment, I was told that I didn't have an appointment, and as such I also didn't have a loaner car reserved, and they were already out for the night. They somehow managed to drop the ball again. I went and talked to the used car sales manager and after about 20 minutes of waiting, he found me a car and made sure my appointment was in the computer. (I didn't need a loaner, but since they said they would give me one, I didn't bring my bike with me...and there is no bus route in the area, or I would have happily used that.)
They finished that service the middle of last week, and I have put less than 100 miles on my car since then...and suddenly this morning my TDI was a DI. No boost, no turbo noise, no power above 2500rpm. I called to inquire, and of course, they reminded me that my car is an old used car, and things break. Fine, yes, it is an old car, but I haven't gotten to my first oil change and the turbo magically stops working within a week of them servicing it? They transferred me to the used car sales manager, and I told him what I thought of his dealership and of the service department there, and that I suspect that this whole deal was just conning me out of my hard earned money.
He said he will get his best guy on it, but do I even trust them to look at my car, and return it in better (or even not worse) condition than it is in now? I'm really fed up with this. I know that cars with 100k+ require maintenance and repairs more often than new cars, but I think this is a bit excessive, especially for a VW TDI that I just purchased from a VW dealership.
 

dieseldorf

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Oct 11, 2000
Location
MA
TDI
ex- 1996 wagon, ex-2000 Jetta
Kremer, welcome aboard ! Lemme guess, you've never owned a VW before and never had the opportunity to experience VW sales/service ... ;)
 

puter

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Joined
Jun 19, 2007
Location
Tacoma, Washington
TDI
2002 Jetta GLS
I am with dorf on this, sounds like you have not had the joy of vw service yet :). For that I apologize.

They will probably try to tell you you need to replace the turbo Do Not Do this. It is most likely a waste of your money. Take a look at my sig for troubleshooting low power / limp mode. If I had to guess, I would guess the issue is with your maf.

Also, has the timing belt been done? If they cannot confirm that it has then you need to bring that car to a guru and have the belt changed (about $800 including parts). If the belt is not changed, and it breaks, you are looking at about $2500 in damages. These belts are known to break early and your car is 30k over the deadline for being changed.

Unless they are offering to perform all work for free, I would not bring the car back to them.

Edit:
Also, it should be noted that dealerships are notorious for botching the TB job (causing thousands in damage...and it is very rare that they own up to it), and they overcharge for it to boot! The 101 section has a list of trusted mechanics by state...I would make use of that list.
 
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kremer

Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2010
Location
Minneapolis
TDI
2002 Golf
Oh, I have owned many VW's (this is my first TDI, though) and I do stay away from the dealerships for service, but this is a car that I just purchased from them, so I expect them to actually fix the issues that they didn't fix before they sold it to me! Thankfully there has not been any charge for these things...yet. But in a few days my "30 day warranty" expires. I have a feeling I will be getting to know my Golf in a very personal way soon!
 

aja8888

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Joined
Dec 25, 2007
Location
Texas..RETIRED 12/31/17
TDI
Out of TDI's
Oh, I have owned many VW's (this is my first TDI, though) and I do stay away from the dealerships for service, but this is a car that I just purchased from them, so I expect them to actually fix the issues that they didn't fix before they sold it to me! Thankfully there has not been any charge for these things...yet. But in a few days my "30 day warranty" expires. I have a feeling I will be getting to know my Golf in a very personal way soon!
Heed what puter says above as he is right on.;)
 

LNXGUY

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Joined
Jan 10, 2004
Location
Barrie, Ont, Canada
TDI
'05 Jetta TDI Wagon
All these problems are fairly simple to fix, sans the $3 door fix switch which is a bit time consuming.

I wouldn't bother with the dealer anymore.
 

kremer

Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2010
Location
Minneapolis
TDI
2002 Golf
Yeah, I guess you're right. In principle, I feel cheated getting a VW from a VW dealership that they didn't actually fix before flipping it, but after today I'm not going to let them touch it again, their fault or not. As was mentioned, they may tear it up more in the process of fixing it.
 

kiva822

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Joined
Mar 17, 2010
Location
Chico, CA
TDI
'03 Wagon
Welcome to fred's!!

Ok, what everybody above said is true.

get yee to a guru....

Again, welcome and read, read, read....

If your limp mode is due to the MAF, maybe you can get this dealership to fix that....maybe. You'd have to go in there and say, "replace XX and don't touch anything else." Or something like that.

BTW, the above warnings about the timing belt are your biggest concern right now. That thing goes and you're in a world of hurt. If it has not been done OR if has been done, but was by a dealership, get it done. Immediately. By a guru / somebody who knows what they are doing.

matt
 
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2004STARWARSTDI

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Joined
Oct 19, 2004
Location
LAKELAND, FL
TDI
2004 Platinum Gray GLS Jetta / 2006 Silver Jetta with DSG
New old car

On the timing belt >not only the timing belt is replaced but also the water pump, tensioner, idler rollers, stretch bolts..........Kit comes to $333 in parts more at dealer. Find yourself a TDI Guru and it will run you about $500 or so in labor +$333 in parts and the job will be done right!:D

As for your limp mode >take car to autozone or advanced auto parts and get it scanned. Write down codes & check them outr here:CATEGORY FAULT CODES - Ross-Tech Wiki
 

greengeeker

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Feb 8, 2006
Location
Cambridge, MN
TDI
2002 Jetta GLS
Sorry to hear you're not happy with the service you've received from Westside but don't feel alone. Pull the timing belt cover and check for any paint marks on or near the timing belt. I'd also be willing to bet they tensioned the timing belt tensioner backwards.
 

puter

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Jun 19, 2007
Location
Tacoma, Washington
TDI
2002 Jetta GLS
I'd also be willing to bet they tensioned the timing belt tensioner backwards.
Listen to greengeeker on this, sounds like he's had experience with them.

Note: if they did this then you will most likely have a belt failure if you don't have it fixed first. That will run you about $2500 - $3000 when all is said and done.
 
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