Abacus
That helpful B4 guy
No cookies...pie. As seen at the world famous Moody's Diner, 5 miles from my house:
No cookies...pie. As seen at the world famous Moody's Diner, 5 miles from my house:
because some competing vendors "ain't got that" so they enlist "some guys" to go on the warpath for them to protect market share, credibility, etc.I fail to see why there is such animosity and outright hatred for having something do what it was engineered to do: pop at designed pressures and flow the same amounts.
Where's my cheque? Sure would be nice to be paid to say things about services that my or may not be needed.because some competing vendors "ain't got that" so they enlist "some guys" to go on the warpath for them to protect market share, credibility, etc.
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You gotta stop thinking your assumptions are fact If the pie is a peace offering, I'll gladly take a slice of lemon.I'll type slowly so you can read it properly.
Not calibrating the nozzles upon installation is not installing them correctly, as has been discussed before. It may be 'good enough' since the car starts and runs, but it's not correct unless that is your definition of the term.
Not doing one thing correctly leads to not doing other things correctly, SUCH AS the Mark & Pray timing belt change and/or the timing it by ear.
NOW do you understand, if you'll half-ass one thing, you'll half-ass another thing, then another and so on. Anyone with 1/2 an IQ could have figured that out from the posts above but I guess even that was too simple, so I spelled it out for you above.
Let me know if you have any other life altering issues with which you need help.
No, its just that "some guys" have actually done it and know that the propaganda is BS and "some guys" are sick of the lies and brainwashing for gains at the expense of good people.because some competing vendors "ain't got that" so they enlist "some guys" to go on the warpath for them to protect market share, credibility, etc.
Of course a competing retailer will strive to downplay the importance of a supporting service that they do not offer and can't offer. Maybe even encourage others to portray it as a scam or whatever, to try and blunt any competitive edge. I suppose that behavior is to be expected in a highly competitive marketplace when there's money at stake.
that's what it's all about to some...
Regardless of how it's couched in "aww shucks" and a carefully cultivated forum persona.
I don't have the time for that nonsense.
You win the pie,Can open - worms everywhere...
I Think that one of the best things which could happen to this thread (and any other for that matter) is if people cite opinions only as opinion, and not as fact.
What I know from personal nozzle changes is that I have never had a melted piston, nor have I had one from any set of (uncalibrated) nozzles I have installed. As above, I always check primary pop pressure and spray pattern. Those data points have meaning to me, and seem to correlate well with the experiences of others who have done the same. I have also read that there have been melted pistons here and there, but I have not seen where those individuals pop-tested/checked spray pattern/checked group 13
I have no doubt that resetting / calibrating nozzles to factory break pressures with sophisticated equipment will likely get a more precise spray/burn, and that that is beneficial to VE series pump engines.
Does that correlate to the doom and destruction some have foretold? Not in my opinion.
But I personally would not just install them on bodies, install them in the car and drive - I would want to do some minimal verification prior.
Couldn't be said better. Personally I have installed 30+ sets of properly installed/calibrated bosio's.Can open - worms everywhere...
I Think that one of the best things which could happen to this thread (and any other for that matter) is if people cite opinions only as opinion, and not as fact.
What I know from personal nozzle changes is that I have never had a melted piston, nor have I had one from any set of (uncalibrated) nozzles I have installed. As above, I always check primary pop pressure and spray pattern. Those data points have meaning to me, and seem to correlate well with the experiences of others who have done the same. I have also read that there have been melted pistons here and there, but I have not seen where those individuals pop-tested/checked spray pattern/checked group 13
I have no doubt that resetting / calibrating nozzles to factory break pressures with sophisticated equipment will likely get a more precise spray/burn, and that that is beneficial to VE series pump engines.
Does that correlate to the doom and destruction some have foretold? Not in my opinion.
But I personally would not just install them on bodies, install them in the car and drive - I would want to do some minimal verification prior.
What did you find? Bad nozzles? Wrong pop pressure and if so, by how much? Etc.Have I removed sets of self installed nozzles that have issues? Yep.
Same as my experience.Couldn't be said better. Personally I have installed 30+ sets of properly installed/calibrated bosio's.
Do they all work perfectly with zero issues? Yes.
Are my customers happy? Yes.
Do I have piece of mind they won't cause problems? Yes.
Have I wasted valuable hours of my time changing nozzles and checking? No.
Have I removed sets of self installed nozzles that have issues? Yep.
Everyone is welcome to do what they wish with their own car.
Quite honestly, don't know, don't care. Swapping in fresh sets fixed the issues. Nobody is going to pay for my time to figure out why they were bad.What did you find? Bad nozzles? Wrong pop pressure and if so, by how much? Etc.
Not starting another war, just curious.
Ok, so your telling me you swap out supposed bad injectors and don't take 20 secs to test them?Quite honestly, don't know, don't care. Swapping in fresh sets fixed the issues. Nobody is going to pay for my time to figure out why they were bad.
I diagnose it down to bad injection, change injectors only, car runs perfect. Therefore it is an injector issue and I just verified it. What else would you suggest I do?Ok, so your telling me you swap out supposed bad injectors and don't take 20 secs to test them?
Sir, I hope we meet one day.Why.....send the injectors out for a flow and pop pressure test, making sure they test it 3 times as per SOP and take the median. Make sure you send it to a reputable shop (NOT Kerma or DBW since they are obviously 'biased') with the proper calibration equipment but don't tell them your reasoning.
But before doing that put them back in and put the car on a dyno and get the numbers, THEN swap to the other injectors and run the dyno again.
Anything less won't be believed on here. In fact, even that will carry no weight since it's obviously only ONE incident and you're biased.
Ken, you're killing me dude.Sir, I hope we meet one day.
So I can shake your hand.
With all the leg humping calibration has gotten in the past few years, I'm surprised this hasn't been done yet. Surely for your $200 or so bucks, there has to be a gain of some sort right? Something tangible? Not just a warm and fuzzy feeling?Why.....send the injectors out for a flow and pop pressure test, making sure they test it 3 times as per SOP and take the median. Make sure you send it to a reputable shop (NOT Kerma or DBW since they are obviously 'biased') with the proper calibration equipment but don't tell them your reasoning.
But before doing that put them back in and put the car on a dyno and get the numbers, THEN swap to the other injectors and run the dyno again, at your expense of course.
Anything less won't be believed on here. In fact, even that will carry no weight since it's obviously only ONE incident and you're biased.