BeetleGo
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When people say that they need their SUV's for interior room, this Scoda demonstrates that it is indeed possible to have tons of space out back~! That's huge!
New Passat TDI confirmed for U.S.
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sengert
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lack of wagon makes me sad...
The JSW just won't work for my family size wise, and to boot, it's IMHO pretty ugly. I also don't want a Chrysler, ohp, I mean a Routan as it is too big and not efficient. The Passat wagon was my leading choice but now they aren't going to bring it any more...
My point of view is that VERY few makers actually put out the 'ole family wagon (especially in this size and value!) and that the wagon is a legitimate and desirable alternative to both the SUV and the mini-van. In addition with VW's lofty goal for sales increases, why would you remove models from your mix? I'd think they'd be adding models like crazy... i.e. Polo, Sharan, Amarok, Sciroco, etc.
In the meantime for this year, I continue to face an older Volvo wagon with no real replacement on the horizon... **sigh**
OOOOOOH!!! Totally agree and completely saddened by this VW decision...
The JSW just won't work for my family size wise, and to boot, it's IMHO pretty ugly. I also don't want a Chrysler, ohp, I mean a Routan as it is too big and not efficient. The Passat wagon was my leading choice but now they aren't going to bring it any more...
My point of view is that VERY few makers actually put out the 'ole family wagon (especially in this size and value!) and that the wagon is a legitimate and desirable alternative to both the SUV and the mini-van. In addition with VW's lofty goal for sales increases, why would you remove models from your mix? I'd think they'd be adding models like crazy... i.e. Polo, Sharan, Amarok, Sciroco, etc.
In the meantime for this year, I continue to face an older Volvo wagon with no real replacement on the horizon... **sigh**
bhtooefr
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The problem is that VW doesn't want to allocate the money to certify and maintain a bunch of niche models that don't sell, and they assume that they can get the buyers of those models into other models that they sell.
LRTDI
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IT kills me....in England right now...VW tdis everywhere.......and I get a peugeot rental...
bhtooefr
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Well, you're driving something that you can't get here...
aja8888
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PlaneCrazy
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But still not as efficient as a station wagon.
kjclow
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Saw a taurus wagon on the way home from work today. Made me think about all of the other wagons that are no longer out there. I was happy that VW decided to update the Jetta and offer a TDI. I love the room for hauling crap and being able to pull a trailer.
jasonTDI
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Look at the leg room in that thing!......nice!
German_1er_diesel
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Should be exactly the same amount of legroom as in the American Passat.
bhtooefr
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Nope.
American Passat has a 2803 mm wheelbase, Skoda Superb has a 2761 mm wheelbase, and for good measure, the Euro Passat has a 2709 mm wheelbase. (While I'm at it, the Mk6 Jetta has a 2650 mm wheelbase, and the Mk6 Golf is 2578 mm.)
American Passat has a 2803 mm wheelbase, Skoda Superb has a 2761 mm wheelbase, and for good measure, the Euro Passat has a 2709 mm wheelbase. (While I'm at it, the Mk6 Jetta has a 2650 mm wheelbase, and the Mk6 Golf is 2578 mm.)
German_1er_diesel
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Good for you. Then you can stretch your legs even more
Volkstraktor
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As seen from The Left Coast
Since I have the dubious honor of owning a B5.5TDI and
have had to pay handsomely to keep it on the road, my
view of VW might be a little less generous than many.
The American Market will likely embrace the car, which
is good for us overall, and a TDI version is certainly a
smart thing (hopefully).
As for me personally, my first impression is that it looks
like the LoveChild of an Impala and a last generation
Optima. Hopefully some of the descriptive phraseology
that I saw on one of the sites is NOT prime-time ready.
A "Cornsilk Beige" interior? Really? On a VW? Yes,
it will be an American car. I only hope that VW will
build it like the Kia and not the Chevy...
Having said all this, I am CAUTIOUSLY optimistic.
Since I have the dubious honor of owning a B5.5TDI and
have had to pay handsomely to keep it on the road, my
view of VW might be a little less generous than many.
The American Market will likely embrace the car, which
is good for us overall, and a TDI version is certainly a
smart thing (hopefully).
As for me personally, my first impression is that it looks
like the LoveChild of an Impala and a last generation
Optima. Hopefully some of the descriptive phraseology
that I saw on one of the sites is NOT prime-time ready.
A "Cornsilk Beige" interior? Really? On a VW? Yes,
it will be an American car. I only hope that VW will
build it like the Kia and not the Chevy...
Having said all this, I am CAUTIOUSLY optimistic.
IndigoBlueWagon
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Cornsilk Beige was pretty nice. But I wonder for how long.
kjclow
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I went with the anthricite interior on my JSW aince I had the beige interior on my beetle. As easy as the beige was to stain and as hard as it was to get clean, I was not going to get a car with an even lighter colored interior.
Ralphy
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I can't wait to see results of road testing on that new Passat. Hopefully it will handle like a VW ant not like a Camry. If it's the case it could replace the excellent B4. Next step will be to replace the CC by an electric car before gas price hits $2.50 a liter...
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TDIMeister
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I'd be interested in the B4 and I'm local to you.
Ralphy
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I'll let you know if I go ahead. I do not have emotional attachement to material in general, but for this car it's a bit different.
Abismo
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If he thought a vw felt cheap god I would hate to see his reviews of subarus
German_1er_diesel
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Dan Neil? The same Dan Neil who prefers 2-pedal Porsches because manual transmissions are "old-fashioned"?
That Guy
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Really!?
And this guy does car reviews?....gah..sputter...I don't even know what to say to that. Maybe he's in the wrong line of work.......correction....he is in the wrong line of work.
Abismo
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domboy
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Wow, for anyone that doesn't understand the appeal of the manual transmission, read the comments in that link.
BeetleGo
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P.S. A manual transmission is a built-in theft deterrent device! So few thieves can now drive them; so few people want them (harder to get rid of vs. automatics).
So few thieves can now drive them; so few people want them (harder to get rid of vs. automatics).
That Guy
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An interesting and good point.
My GTI has a DSG and I admit that I do like it. It does shift smoothly and very fast. (DSG was my wife's choice...the GTI was to replace her old car, so....)
But most vehicles I've driven have been manuals...including my TDI. And I would never say that they are obsolete technology.
I just feel like I have more control with a manual (and that's because I do)...plus I get a better feel for the car.
And lets not forget that manuals are much cheaper and easier to maintain...and generally more reliable and longer lasting....and lighter. And until very recently they also gave better fuel economy than you could get with an auto....and even that is still debatable. And of course...fun to drive.
My GTI has a DSG and I admit that I do like it. It does shift smoothly and very fast. (DSG was my wife's choice...the GTI was to replace her old car, so....)
But most vehicles I've driven have been manuals...including my TDI. And I would never say that they are obsolete technology.
I just feel like I have more control with a manual (and that's because I do)...plus I get a better feel for the car.
And lets not forget that manuals are much cheaper and easier to maintain...and generally more reliable and longer lasting....and lighter. And until very recently they also gave better fuel economy than you could get with an auto....and even that is still debatable. And of course...fun to drive.
Ski in NC
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A bit strange, but everytime I rent or drive an automatic, I find myself critiqueing the shift points. As in I push the gas a little bit to speed up, and it downshifts. Hey, why did you do that? I just needed a little more speed!
No matter how zippy the tranny controller, it will always shift differently than I would. And that is a source of annoyance. My problem, not the car, understood.
An automatic can not see the road ahead. It only knows what is going on at the moment, and decides based on that. A driver with a manual will be able to factor the road ahead into shift decisions.
I will say, my ex-gf's volvo shifted very nice. Rarely annoyed by that car.
Autoboxes are getting better. But stick shifts for me. That's what I want.
No matter how zippy the tranny controller, it will always shift differently than I would. And that is a source of annoyance. My problem, not the car, understood.
An automatic can not see the road ahead. It only knows what is going on at the moment, and decides based on that. A driver with a manual will be able to factor the road ahead into shift decisions.
I will say, my ex-gf's volvo shifted very nice. Rarely annoyed by that car.
Autoboxes are getting better. But stick shifts for me. That's what I want.
atc98002
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That's the main reason I use the Tiptronic function so often. Yeah, a manual would have more fun factor, but the auto does relieve some work during heavy traffic.
Living on a fairly steep hill, I'm still on my original front brake pads at 85k, which I'm sure is because I put the tip in third down the hill and rarely touch the brake pedal until I reach the bottom. Since this new Passat will come both ways, I'll have to make a decision. However, until VW announces their packages and option list, I don't know if I'll have a choice if I want a loaded model. Many times the higher level packages only come with the auto. Oh well, at least with the TDI it will be the DSG.
bhtooefr
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If it's anything like the Jetta, the TDI will be in SE trim (and the one at the auto show was in SEL trim,) with some options made standard, and some stuff from the SEL available.
atc98002
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The way they are wording their press releases (for whatever that's worth
) it sounds like all three trim levels will have the engine choices, although I don't believe you'll be able to get a VR6 in S trim! It's also the show photos that have both the SE and TDI emblems on the trunk, which makes me believe (or hope!) that the TDI will come in S, SE and SEL flavors. That will (perhaps) satisify the people that want a basic level TDI as well as people like me the want all the bells and whistles.I'm hoping I'm not just being naive.