Pictorial: How to Fix Stripped Glow Plug Threads

jpstaub

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I followed this thread since I was an ant whisker away from having to salvage a glow plug install with a rethread. Good fortune prevailed and the job was completed by chasing/straightening threads with a 10x1.0mm plug tap. Thanks for the information on glow plug thread specifics by the way.

Since it hasn't been mentioned, E-Z LOK offers an insert that should work. Fastenal has part number 329-1008 in their system. Unknown whether or not one can actually get hold of these through Fastenal.
 

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I have worse damage

Hello guys!
I have a worse problem on mine. Someone before me tried to fix damaged threads on number 3 cylinder glow plug but it was leaking compression and I was having cold start problems.
I had to pull it out and I found a 11,4 mm hole with no threads and it seems that the bottom sealing cone is damaged too.
Do you have a solution to this? Or I have to change the head.?
Thank you in advance!
 

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Do you have a Manufacturer &/or part number for that two-stage tap
Thanks
 

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Ghita,
Time-Serts may have to be specifically designed for this application.
Remember the time-sert goes in and sets flush with the top surface, but these threads are fairly deep in in head.

The threads for a time-sert are typically larger than those of a helicoil, and you can often use one to replace a helicoil.

The seal takes place when the conical area at the base of the plug hits the very delicate conical seating surface below the threads. If this is damaged, then the plug will leak even with a new time-sert installed, because the threads do not create the seal; they only provide the tightening force onto the seal.

Notice how in the bottom picture, the glowplug cylindrical shaft is still visible above the exterior surface of the head? This is proper. If it screws in until the hex shaped portion touches the head, then the conical sealing surface has been pushed out or drilled out. It is very delicate. Once the seal is gone, it is time to remove and replace (or weld repair) the head.

If you pour in molten aluminum, it will not meld with the head; it will have an interface fault at the old surface point. When you try to drill it out, the thin material left will probably disintegrate. Any experienced aluminum casters please speak up here - this is from minimal experience casting aluminum. I have never tried casting aluminum into an aluminum mold.

You need to weld in new material then reform the shaft threads and seal cone.
Thank you Dang144 for your exhaustive explanation. You are 100% right. Sorry for such a late reply (four years later :) )

My solution to this problem consisted of two parts:

* A) Repairing the taper at the base

* B) Repairing the threads

A good machinist machined for me two parts. One stainless steel cylindrical insert 16 mm tall threaded M14 x 1.75 on the outside and M10 x 1.0 on the inside.

He also machined a copper tapered washer ID=5mm, OD=12mm, 3mm thick.
He charged me two hours ($80 an hour)

After that I drilled and tapped ~15mm deep the damaged hole M14 x 1.75. Removed all the debris. Inserted the tapered washer at the base of the hole and inserted the threaded insert almost flush with the head.

Unfortunately I have no pictures ... I can only take a picture of the final result should the need be.

My glow plug never leaked thereafter (I've been checking periodically).

Thank you guys for all your suggestions and again I am sorry for such a late reply.

Regards
 
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Just saw this thread and i did not bother to read the entire posts after the DIY write up but though i would put this out there. If you turn the cam so that the intake is open for this piston only, you can hook up your shop vac to blow mode and blow air into the intake manifold and as you tap the threads it will blow most of them if not 99.(5 of them all out the hole your tapping, just wear eye protection. we do this when we have to drill and tap a fubar'd drain plug, spark plug, you name it, i even did this when i put my EGT probe in my stock manifold. but i used the engines exhaust to do the same thing. its what gave me the idea and now my boss makes us do this on all jobs like this thanks to me, works well.
 

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And where do all these metal shavings go when they're disbursed all over?
Yuri
into a shop vac next to the tool.
I should have said this in the previous post. When I trilled and tapped my stock exhaust manifold I took 3-4 ring magnets and drilled and tapped slowly with the engine running and the intake manifold OFF but a piece of cardboard as a block to make sure any stray bits did not go into the intake ports.
It worked very well and I have done this method on a stripped out spark plug and multiple drain plugs. You need 2 hoses for your shop vac, one to suck the bits in and one to blow air from the shop vac into the intake after you open a valve or into the dip stick or oil fill on the valve cover. We pulled the 1st 5 oil pans to check that this worked and we saw NO bits in the pan at all. We also did a full fill and drain of the pan to make sure and no bits were visible in the filter we drained the oil into. As long as you go slow and let the shop vac do the work for you.
Here is a picture of the exhaust manifold as I did it. You can see that the cardboard is not against the intake ports but its close. Very happy with results and so is my old boss. This is standard practice now at the shop I used to work at. of course i dont have this setup now, i am still using the EGT probe but on a different manifold for the gt2052



 
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How to repair stripped or otherwise damaged threads of a glow plug (g.p.) without removing the cylinder head

This repair does require that the g.p. is not stuck or broken off in the head. You can see, these threads are totally gone at the top of the hole. Although the cylinder head that the repair was performed on was done on the bench, this process is intended as demonstration for a cylinder head mounted in the vehicle. You may find it necessary to remove glow plug harness, injector lines and vacuum resevoir for decent access. Although the injector in these pictures is removed, that is not required to make this repair.



Insert a piece of 1/4" braided cotton rope or a similar substitute that is about 3" long, into the bottom of the g.p. hole. Completely plug the hole going into the cylinder. I use an awl to push it tightly into the bottom of the g.p. hole.

Next, take a small piece of cotton and cover over the top of the cotton rope. This is just a extra margin of protection to keep any aluminum or debris from going into the engine.

I prefer to chase the threads for the g.p. with a 10 x 1 tap, but you may skip this step if you feel confident that the threads will not cross up on you any further. Maintaining the same line as the original threads is crucial.

I use a Recoil brand 38100 with a two-stage tap. The front of the tap has the 10 x 1 mm chaser with a larger tap thread to accomodate the insert. I have the kits in stock for $78.

It is important to get the hole threaded to the right depth for the insert you will use. I use a 10mm long insert. Measuring against the special tap, mark the tap for depth. You don't want to go too deep. You can see the depth marking.

The insertion tool has an adjustment screw for different length inserts. Adjust to collar of the tool so that the tang of the insert is firmly caught in the bottom of slot in the tool. Please note that the insert is facing the direction as it would be installed; tang first.

Insert the special tap and make sure you are using the original thread path. Even if the g.p. has stripped out the threads, there are still enough threads that are not reached by the threads of the g.p. to keep the tap on track. Just be sure to keep the tap square in the hole. Use an aluminum tapping lubricant to ease the tap and improve thread quality.

The tap will begin to feel tight before reaching full depth. Do not force the tap.

Remove the tap and you will see a pile of chips driven in front of the tap. Remove the chips and continure to full depth as marked on the tap.

Reinstert the special tap and work to depth. Remove the tap as necessary to facilitate working to full depth. In the following picture there is about 1/2 a turn to go...

Remove the tap and blow out all chips from the hole.

Apply a drop of motor oil on the insert. Use the insert tool to install the insert into the new threads. Work slowly and do not drive the insert in any more than flush with the top of the hole. Keep the insert 'closed up'. Pull lightly out on the insert tool as you drive the insert in. If you push the insert in, you can skip a thread and cause real trouble.


When the insert is to depth, break off the insertion tang. Push straight down with a small screwdriver and it will snap off.

I retrieve the insert's tang with an awl and magnet.


Blow out the hole again. Retrieve the cotton and rope plug. If it is too stuck to pick out, you can use the engine's starter to pop it out. First compression stroke and iit will blow out. I prefer to try to remove it by hand.


I always treat the threads of the g.p. with anti-sieze.

Also, always insert the g.p. BY HAND and HAND TIGHTEN.

If you use anti-sieze and insertion by hand until the g.p. seats, you wouldn't be rethreading the hole... Of course that doesn't account for whoever got there before you...

and you are done!

Ever stripped an engine mount bolt? Here's how to fix it without removing the engine mounts!
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=3302166#post3302166

Hi, i stripped my glow plug hole can you tell me how to get the repair kit from you.
Thanks Dave
 

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I'm the guy that wrote the 'How To' for fixing gp's. I carry the repair tools in stock. Not particularly a fan of the TimeSert, as the Recoil has never failed me except once, where the hole was so abused, the recoil wouldn't work... TimeSert is bigger and it worked.

Also, the bottom of the hole has a bevel to seal the gp. We have made a tool to correct the cut for proper sealing. Call for more info.
 
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