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Old December 13th, 2018, 09:38   #4651
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We just got back from a 1,655 mile trip to Grand Rapids and back. The trip went smoothly and we made five <20 minutes stops in each direction. Travel speeds were 75 - 85 MPH with temperatures ranging from the high teens to the low 30s. Total trip efficiency: 333 Wh/mile (3 miles per kWh or 101 MPGe).

We're just shy of 14,000 miles in 3.5 months with another 2,200+ miles on the schedule between now and Jan 2nd.
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Old December 15th, 2018, 18:28   #4652
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I'm starting to see locally owned model 3's more and more up here. Up until now I was mostly seeing them at the Augusta supercharger station, and they were coming from Quebec, New York, Mass. etc. With my golf going back to VW in a couple of weeks, I'm torn what to do about a new ride. I'd love a model 3, but I'm not sure I can justify the expense. Maybe I should start looking for deals on a used model S. I feel like I need a minimum of 200 miles range. I might get a well used winter beater in the interim. The chevy bolt never really materialized in this area. I can't imagine who would want one over a model 3.
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Old December 15th, 2018, 19:57   #4653
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Has anyone seen the new electric Truck and SUV from Rivian? Crazy performance specs.
- Starting at $70k
- 0-60 in 3.3s
- ~400 mile range
- 180kWh battery
- 11,000lb towing
- 3' wading depth

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Old December 15th, 2018, 20:21   #4654
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I'm starting to see locally owned model 3's more and more up here. Up until now I was mostly seeing them at the Augusta supercharger station, and they were coming from Quebec, New York, Mass. etc. With my golf going back to VW in a couple of weeks, I'm torn what to do about a new ride. I'd love a model 3, but I'm not sure I can justify the expense. Maybe I should start looking for deals on a used model S. I feel like I need a minimum of 200 miles range. I might get a well used winter beater in the interim. The chevy bolt never really materialized in this area. I can't imagine who would want one over a model 3.
Any chance you can make it to the New Year GTG in New Hampshire? Happy to let you have a go in the AWD 3 and see what you think. Hopefully we'll be able to secure some snow tires by then.

310 miles of EPA rated range is more like 230 miles in the winter, maybe closer to 200 if you're taking shorter trips or slogging through deep snow. A Chevy Bolt and a Model S (except 100D) would both struggle to hit those numbers. Bolt is rated at 238, which would drop to 160 - 180 in the winter.

I'm really curious to see how our roommate's mid-range Model 3 does in the cold weather. It's rated at 260 miles EPA, so probably 170-200 real world range in the winter. We did the math and a 660 mile road trip from DC to Grand Rapids would only add about 30 minutes of charging to his trip compared to ours.
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Old December 16th, 2018, 10:35   #4655
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Any chance you can make it to the New Year GTG in New Hampshire? Happy to let you have a go in the AWD 3 and see what you think. Hopefully we'll be able to secure some snow tires by then.

310 miles of EPA rated range is more like 230 miles in the winter, maybe closer to 200 if you're taking shorter trips or slogging through deep snow. A Chevy Bolt and a Model S (except 100D) would both struggle to hit those numbers. Bolt is rated at 238, which would drop to 160 - 180 in the winter.

I'm really curious to see how our roommate's mid-range Model 3 does in the cold weather. It's rated at 260 miles EPA, so probably 170-200 real world range in the winter. We did the math and a 660 mile road trip from DC to Grand Rapids would only add about 30 minutes of charging to his trip compared to ours.
It would be awesome to see your new model 3 and everyone at the gtg. My mother has been having some health issues lately, so I might be sticking close to home over the holidays. Plus my golf is going back on the 28th and I may not have a replacement in time for the gtg. I think this will be the first winter in nearly a decade that I don't get down to visit family (and escape the cold)in Austin.

So you guys are a two model 3 household now? Very cool. Your roommate must have been super impressed by your car. A black rwd model 3 arrived at my dentist's office as I was getting out of my car just a couple of days ago. I complimented him on the car and we talked about it for a few minutes. He has taken several road trips with it and mentioned how there are usually good places to grab a bite to eat in very close proximity to the supercharger stations.

I don't understand why so many (supposed) car guys hate on the Teslas. Maybe it's mainly just an affliction of bitter people commenting on Jalopnik articles. First it was they were going bankrupt imminently, then they couldn't make any model 3, and now they are resorting to calling the model 3 ugly. Which is ridiculous since it's one of the best looking cars out there (subjective of course). Jay Leno made a good video recently about Tesla derangement syndrome.

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Old December 16th, 2018, 12:53   #4656
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Has anyone seen the new electric Truck and SUV from Rivian? Crazy performance specs.
- Starting at $70k
- 0-60 in 3.3s
- ~400 mile range
- 180kWh battery
- 11,000lb towing
- 3' wading depth
Those Rivian vehicles are very impressive. Though well out of my price range even if I were looking for an electric truck. I think they nailed the design other than the oddball headlights. I hope the upcoming Tesla pickup isn't as radical looking as Musk has been hinting at.
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Old December 16th, 2018, 13:19   #4657
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I file the Rivian in the "I'll believe it when I see it" category. If they are going to actually start building the truck version in 2019 then they had better already have the tooling and automation bought, designed, and thinking about making preproduction parts, and I don't think that has happened yet.

On the other hand ... https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ele...d-electric-car
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Old December 16th, 2018, 14:04   #4658
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Damn, and I thought the Harlequin Edition Golf was out there. That must be the Escher edition.
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Old December 17th, 2018, 06:58   #4659
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To be fair, the concepts Rivian has shown look a lot more production ready than those from Faraday Future.

I'd also think making a body on frame design is easier than a unibody. I'm hoping it does come to market!

Regarding the VW: I'll believe it when I can walk into a showroom in Virginia or Michigan, and take one for a test drive. Couldn't do that with the e-Golf (heck an MD dealer wasn't even that interested in leasing one to us 2 years ago!). Won't be able to with the Kona / Niro.

And 0-60 in 9 seconds? I'm hoping that's not the full output. The Leaf is an acceptable 7.5, the Bolt is just over 6. At least they're fitting an 11kw onboard charger.

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Old December 17th, 2018, 18:30   #4660
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Tesla needs to make a performance minivan. I'd be all over that

EDIT: one that's not $80k
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Old December 18th, 2018, 18:57   #4661
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EDIT: one that's not $80k
What would be a price point to consider buying?
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The closest I've found to that is the Pacifica PHEV.
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What would be a price point to consider buying?
New: $45k for all electric... but I don't want a Pacifica, the back seats suck...

I really like the styling of all the Tesla models, I just can't stomach the price. Also car seats are gigantic now and my family requires 2, 1 rear facing 1 forward facing.

Looking at 2014+ Odyssey's...
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New: $45k for all electric... but I don't want a Pacifica, the back seats suck...

I really like the styling of all the Tesla models, I just can't stomach the price. Also car seats are gigantic now and my family requires 2, 1 rear facing 1 forward facing.

Looking at 2014+ Odyssey's...
Maybe another ~2 years before used MXs are available for ~$45k. Right now the most affordable CPO is $60k.
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By "the back seats suck", do you mean the second or the third row?

And if you mean the second row, have you sat in a Pacifica Hybrid specifically? They don't have Stow-n-Go, so their second row doesn't suck for adults to sit in.
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