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VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) Discussions area for A6/MkVI (2010-2014) Golf and Golf Wagons (Jetta Sportwagon in the USA).

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Old September 21st, 2018, 17:29   #1
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Default fast opinions needed please, die hard manual drivers who switched to DSG...

Dang it.. been driving stick most of my life. Im 52 and live in the bay area

can either get a 6 spd manual no sunroof 23K miles 15K + taxes and fees

or DSG with sunroof, a little lower mileage most likely for 17K

UGh... worried about reliability, fun to drive durability over the long haul etc...

Hate driving in traffic.. many times would like to not shift...
then again, I love shifting... but it is getting old.

I will still have my MKIV wagon plus my toyota truck and miata which of course are 5 speeds...


Any die hard manual people here switch and never looked back?

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Old September 21st, 2018, 18:33   #2
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DSG is an awesome transmission, especially after a tune.

If you like the car with DSG better, don't hesitate. it's not an "autotragic" at all
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Old September 21st, 2018, 19:28   #3
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I drive a DSG on occasion when I have to, but much prefer a manual, no doubt about it.
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Old September 22nd, 2018, 07:58   #4
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the sunroof in my opinion is a bigger liability than the dsg, mine binds when its hot and broke once, i got it closed and now i never use it. the dsg will also take more maintenance dollars than the manual, especially if you do your own maintenance and you don't have a habit of burning up clutches.
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Old September 22nd, 2018, 11:30   #5
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I'd venture that if you get the DSG you'll always feel you've "settled." I live near Boston and drive in traffic all the time (drove to NYC today, in fact). I never mind driving a manual, and I never seem to adjust to automatics. I think that's at least one reason my TDIs get driven a lot and my BMW 335d (only available with an automatic) sits.
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Old September 22nd, 2018, 13:05   #6
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Two answers.

1) If you drive a manual you are a Netherlander that can't get over 1920's technology. DSG is state of art used in super cars from Bugatti Veyron, to Ferrari to Lamborghini.... Therefore people who pick DSG are smarter, better looking and better lovers...

2) It takes a REAL MAN to drive a manual, which takes incredible skill, cordination, cunning to drive one. Anyone who drives a DSG is just not a real man or driver....

These answers are ridiculous as the whole debate. To "transition" to DSG is easy. The only relevent question is how hard is it to transition from DSG to a manual shift car... NOT HARD AT ALL.... I taught my 16 year old Niece in an afternoon, and she shifts better than half the real men I have seen who think their shifting is a gift to the universe ...

DSG is amazing race born technology and has almost no drawback... If there are any it adds 100 lbs and for some reason VW gives 6th gear an overall lower ratio than the manual, so the DSG will turn slightly higher RPM on the freeway. With that said (weight and gear ratio) you may give up a mile or two per gallon. I say MAY because some people shift like inefficient apes. If you are smooth, shift at the right RPM, use coasting to some degree manual will get better MPG.... Other wise people find shifting to be fun... It is work for me, and I want BOTH hands on the wheel when driving hard.... If cursing one hand on wheel and one on coffee cup...
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Old September 22nd, 2018, 13:49   #7
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I'll agree with one of your points: If I were buying another track day car I'd consider a DSG. Because in those conditions a DSG is going to do a better job shifting than I do. I've spent enough time on the track to know that it's very difficult to drive at the limit, brake correctly, find the right line, and shift, including heel and toe downshifts so you don't upset the car and break grip. When you get to a car (and driver's) limits things happen real fast.

However, no one does that on the street. And for me manuals have no more to do with being a throwback than they have to do with masculinity. I simply prefer them, especially good ones. It's merely a matter of preference for me.

VW's DSG is a good automatic, but it's not perfect. Of the autos I've driven, I prefer torque-converter ones to the DSG for their smoother performance in traffic. But I still don't love either. It's odd how VW didn't bring in more manual TDIs, as many more customers wanted them than ended up owning them. But I guess that's all moot now, anyway.
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Old September 22nd, 2018, 15:52   #8
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well, i rented one and these are my impressions so far.. IMHO, the DSG is nice BUT its still an automatic. And it behaves very much the same as others in its bottom line which is you lack the connection between you and the car. In that aspect you cannot change ultimately what will doom this for me. When I drive, I like to be a part of the car, engaged, thinking, planning executing. So far with the three that I have driven, i find myself amazingly tired.. brain dead. Always invigorating driving a stick... ( although not always pleasing). When driving a manual I feel like Im accomplishing something. And its always different.
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Old September 22nd, 2018, 17:54   #9
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I recently bought a 2011 Jsw Tdi with the DSG. I can see it's a diamond in the rough. It certainly needs a tune to bring out its true capabilities and I'm planning to do so Monday. Just got done driving my BMW Z4 over 300 miles today, which is a manual, and man did I miss the DSG. Threw my shoulder out at the furthest point from home and it killed me having to steer with that arm. Alsoi have knee issues on the clutch side occasionally. Point being, sometimes the autos come in handy when you least expect it. As fast as they shift there really is no point.
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Old September 23rd, 2018, 08:07   #10
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Automatic + Manual = DSG

I live in the mountains and drive in manual plenty.
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Old September 25th, 2018, 13:19   #11
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I say MAY because some people shift like inefficient apes. If you are smooth, shift at the right RPM, use coasting to some degree manual will get better MPG....
Coasting in neutral is a sure sign of someone that does not understand how to drive a manual. It does not save fuel, it is dangerous and illegal in many states. https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...-fuel-economy/

The most hilarious argument I have heard about coasting in neutral up to a stop is that brakes are cheaper to replace than clutches so they coast and don't even down shift when coming to a stop. If you never had to use a clutch to move from a stop and the only wear on your clutch was from down shifting, the clutch would last probably a million miles.

So, they had syncromesh and hydraulic clutches in the 1920's? So, why is something more technically complicated better than a tried and true simpler technology?

I suppose this must be an improvement and might even save the human race over what has worked flawlessly for thousands of years: http://www.mysmalt.com
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Old September 25th, 2018, 13:22   #12
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Coasting in neutral is a sure sign of someone that does not understand how to drive a manual.
Um, no. Coasting in neutral is probably not a way to save fuel, but I don't think there's anything wrong with slipping the shifter into neutral as you slow to a stop instead of downshifting through all the gears. It's another version of stepping on the clutch.
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Old September 25th, 2018, 22:39   #13
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With the CR, coasting in neutral to save fuel is understandable. The damn thing slows down quite quickly. Very different from an ALH where it almost feels like it is in neutral when you let off. BEW is somewhere in the middle.

If I am trying to hypermile I shift my CR into 6th and rumble down hills at 1000 rpm. Otherwise I have to keep power on to not slow down.
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Old September 26th, 2018, 12:17   #14
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Hmmm... the fuel savings is negligible and you risk being that kind of person that others want to smack upside the head for being incredibly petty.

2) . You are also probably the same person who keeps their clutch IN at stoplights and are the primary cause of throw out bearings going out at 40K...

3) I have driven stick most of my life driving. I promise you I can shift better and faster than the vast majority. And yes, brake pads are cheaper than a clutch

The issue arises from WHEN you shift to neutral. If you are one of those idiots that goes into neutral 100 yards before the light, its YOU that has the problem, NOT the ones that come up to a light using the gearing to naturally slow down (because you were in the right gear already, as you know how to drive stick) and then shift into neutral during the last 100 feet or so because like the kind and intelligent and considerate driver we know you are, it wont affect anyone else.

Whew...
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Old September 26th, 2018, 20:21   #15
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I test drove a manual '15 Golf TDI right before trying out the dsg. I'm more of a manual guy too but the manual in the TDI wasn't that enjoyable to me. First gear was completely limp and it felt way slower than the dsg.

I went with the dsg and have no regrets. I drive in manual mode most of the time and use the right paddle shifter a lot. It shifts very quick and has tons of torque. Has no "limp mode" like the manual seemed to have. I'd be happy with a manual too probably but I prefer the dsg in this car. If I sat in traffic a lot, I'm certain I would not have gotten the manual.

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