that's right, and there's nothing wrong with this...just a little CYA (cover your ass) and I'm doing this as well. Of course VW is going to be a little defensive in these cases, but I'm confident that if you do everything right in terms of documentation and maintenance if you did end up in a situation like this there really isn't much they can say. They can drag their feet or whatever but at the end of the day you're not gonna be the one stuck with the bill.Someone had pointed out that it would be a good idea to scan/photocopy the receipts as they are sometimes printed on that waxy paper that tends to fade over time.
Yeah, this HPFP problem does bear many similarities to the so-called "Toyota Recall Disaster"...and that is that none of the vehicles Toyota recalled were ever proven to have accellerated on their own. It was all hype. Its been proved now time and again through many studies.
VW is also being "plagued" (Really? Only 160 complaints to date?) by complaints and from what I've seen there really is no evidence that the pump is bad. There are many, many owners many on this and other forums who are pushing their CR TDIs into the 100,000 mile mark with no HPFP issues. I'm highly skeptical of the few problems that have been presented. If you use good quality, name brand diesel and don't let the car sit for long periods of time, change you're filter at proper interval and maybe use a good lubricity additive I don't think there is anything to worry about.
There are always a certain number of defects per batch of cars regardless of manufacturer or part so a small amount of defects will present themselves within the first few thousand miles and will be covered under warranty with the proper documentation. I know I'll catch some flack for this, but just my opinion, but this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion.
What gives you this suspicion?It's also quite likely that if the pump survives the warranty period, that you got a good one.
An additive VW says not to use in a CR.I shouldn't have to use a good good lubricity additive. The TDI should be ready and willing to drive right out of the box.
uhhh. VW says 5% biodiesel is fine, and biodiesel is the best additive you can get for lubrication of the hpfp.An additive VW says not to use in a CR.
I don't want to burst your bubble, however the car was built in 11/10, which is the date of the most recent improvement to the fuel pump design.Build date looks like the most recent update, and I use an additive.
Breathes a little easier.
I have NEVER seen this is writing. Anecdotal reports of dealerships stating this does not mean that VW is against additive use. Many (most?) dealerships do not know what they are talking about when it comes to CR TDIs. VW does not recommend any particular additive because they do not want to admit that they are necessary, and no additive maker pays VW to recommend their additive. As long as the additive is USLD compatible and it will not harm the emissions system, it should be safe (and perhaps wise) to use an additive. VW (to the best of my knowledge) has never failed to warranty a car due to additive usage.An additive VW says not to use in a CR.
So the way you read it is the design change was implemented in 11/10 at Bosch, not the actual start date of installation of the newly revised pumps at VW?I don't want to burst your bubble, however the car was built in 11/10, which is the date of the most recent improvement to the fuel pump design.
However, that's when the FUEL PUMP design was improved. Those improved parts have to be manufactured, sent to the engine factory, engines have to be assembled, and then the engines have to be sent to the factory for installation. I would wager that the latest improved design doesn't make it's way into production vehicles until sometime aroud now.
I think there's a date of manufacturer on the pump - it's on a white sticker. You can take a peek at it, though you might need a hand mirror to see it.So the way you read it is the design change was implemented in 11/10 at Bosch, not the actual start date of installation of the newly revised pumps at VW?
Wonder which one I have then?
John
So let me get this straight? 160 complaints for 97,000 cars sold?
Uhhh, no biodiesel around here and I'm not going to have it shipped in just to be able to drive my car because VW put out a POS HPFP to save a dollar per car.uhhh. VW says 5% biodiesel is fine, and biodiesel is the best additive you can get for lubrication of the hpfp.
Which is what I've said too, but Plus 3 Golfer received an e-mail from VW stating as such. I've been using PS from the beginning, but I shouldn't have to, so I'm still holding VWs feet to the fire on this.I have NEVER seen this is writing. Anecdotal reports of dealerships stating this does not mean that VW is against additive use. Many (most?) dealerships do not know what they are talking about when it comes to CR TDIs. VW does not recommend any particular additive because they do not want to admit that they are necessary, and no additive maker pays VW to recommend their additive. As long as the additive is USLD compatible and it will not harm the emissions system, it should be safe (and perhaps wise) to use an additive. VW (to the best of my knowledge) has never failed to warranty a car due to additive usage.
Have Fun!
Don
It does not matter if biodisel is available to you. You said additives are not allowed, your statement is completely false.Uhhh, no biodiesel around here and I'm not going to have it shipped in just to be able to drive my car because VW put out a POS HPFP to save a dollar per car.
Actually, I was being sarcastic referring to VWs stance on additives for the CR engine.You said additives are not allowed, your statement is completely false.
Going from memory on this, but I believe that there were at least two reports very early on, Dweisel being one of them, both were attributed to gasoline misfueling IIRC, but don't recall any others reported after that. Can't speak to the veracity of the reports either.How many TDIclub members that have experienced this "catastrophic" failure and have paid out of pocket to have the problem fixed?
We all read one side of this story, and assume that big bad VW is against us all and hiding something. I would not be singing a different tune at all, because I drive, wash, and fuel my car, so I trust IF I get the unlucky opportunity of becoming a member the HPFP failure club, that my dealership and VW will take care of me. I will not bash them and quote what others have said, when I have had no problems and only experience excellent service from my dealer and VW.
~jb
Now that an "engineering anaysis" (EA) has been opened, NHTSA will likely seek data from Bosch and should get to the bottom of why the redesigns and also likely question the consumers that reported an incident to NHTSA as to VW's alleged "misfuelling" of their vehicle.timwagon:> If it's only caused by gasoline contamination,
> why three separate HPFP redesigns?
Because misfueling will happen, at a low incident rate, and
previous TDIs apprently didn't experience FP destruction
in those cases.
My read of this is that VW is admitting that the HPFP design
did fail to consider (or be tested for) end user non-compliance
with fueling requirements.
Glad to hear they re-designed it anyway. It was a factor in
my not being in any hurry to replace our 2003 TDI with a new one.
And the end users who mis-fuel, in all likelihood were
not paying attention when they did it, and will thus have
no recollection of it later. Check the receipts.
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When we loan the TDI, we them to NOT replace the fuel used.
But my bet is there's still a lubricity issue with US fuel that the early pumps (and maybe even the later ones) can't handle. As I said in this thread on the FIE Sept. 2009 Position Paper, the FIE manufacturers (which includes Bosch) likely have data to support their statement on lubricity as they don't make statements like this on a whim. I find it interesting that the statement was issued after the 1st redesign of the HPFP in May 2008 and in the same month as the second redesign - September 2009. Time should tell.In the EA phase, ODI devotes more resources to the investigation, and develops a more detailed and complete analysis of the character and scope of the alleged defect. An IR, more detailed than that sent in the PE phase, is sent to the manufacturer, and after reviewing the response thereto, ODI may send one or more further IRs to the manufacturer. ODI may also send IRs to “peer manufacturers” and/or other companies. The agency may also conduct testing and vehicle (or motor vehicle equipment) inspections, either through NHTSA’s Vehicle Research Test Center in East Liberty, Ohio, or through contractors. ODI may also conduct surveys or other studies. ODI may meet directly with the manufacturer. Consumers who have reported problems may be contacted for further information.
Haven't looked through the list lately, but I believe that at least one 2011 was reported to be on there. Take a look ===> HereHey,
So have any 2011's failed yet due to this problem?
Hey,
So have any 2011's failed yet due to this problem?