Pics from August 25th car show and GTG (dialup warning)

sportsguy

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Here's a link and a couple samples - the link goes to my Webshots album with the 100 pics in it, the smaller images below can be clicked on to see a larger version (this takes you to Webshots). You can then look in the top-right to click a link to see the full size 6mp version of the image - if you want to download it for anything non-commercial.

http://community.webshots.com/album/560438028sdFLtc

...and the sample platter...



















 

sportsguy

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OK - I poked around today for some info and equations... :D

...and I found this:

An old post somewhere cited the following data from another (non-VW TDI) engine:

98.632 Hp
174.8 lbs-ft

So, back to Grade 7 and I did some cross multiplication to determine "X"...

98.632 Hp 117.9Hp
174.8 lbs-ft "X" lbs-ft

X = 208.95 lbs-ft - which seems about right given what others usually post with similar mods.

If I base it on VW numbers for my engine (90Hp / 177 lbs-ft (IIRC) - 2001 model), then the figures work out like this:

90.00 Hp 117.9Hp
177 lbs-ft "X" lbs-ft

X = 231.87 lbs-ft - I WISH...! LOL

I also used a basic set of equations to try to calculate the torque figures. Since the guy running the dyno was not familiar with dyno-ing TDIs, the whole thing is suspect - my printout has HP, but no RPM figures (thus no torque numbers). So, the math below CAN back up my math above, but it's based on a roughly 3,000 RPM horsepower peak - no idea if that's accurate or not...

Here's the longer math and the actual equation itself from here...

TQ = (33000.0*117.9)/(2.0*3.1415*3000)

TQ = 3890700 / 18849

TQ = 206.41
HP = (TQ*2.0*PI*RPM)/33000.0
TQ = (33000.0*HP)/(2.0*PI*RPM)

where:

TQ = torque in ft-lbs
HP = power in horsepower
RPM = engine speed in revolutions per minute
PI = the mathematical constant PI (approximately 3.141592654)

Note: 33000 = conversion factor (550 ft-lbs/sec * 60 sec/min)Overall, the whole thing was a PITA - next time I'll wait until I take a trip the US and plan it properly. The local guys have very little experience with TDI cars. Given my choise was to skip it or run, I chose to run (obviously) and get the HP-at-the-wheels numbers. I don't think I would go back to my local guys again, though.
 
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Fyrman

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...going shopping today. Got $40 to spend on something nice. Think I'll pick up a "My buddy's a loser" T-shirt first. Maybe a nice bottle of rum too. :D
 

sportsguy

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...a nice bottle of rum will eat that $40 all on it's own. Besides, why do you want another assinine t-shirt? Just drive around drunk on the tractor shirtless as usual - no sense making the neighbors think the "hayseed" is maturing... ;)
 

sportsguy

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vwguy0429 said:
those are great numbers!
If they're real. ;) Well, I know the HP numbers are real - that's what the dyno spun. The rest are math based on stuff I found and recalled on my own - no claims they're accurate, but I think it'm in there somewhere judged from the seat of the pants.

Overall, not bad for less than $600 in mods.

$130 for the .205 nozzles
$425 (IIRC) for the ECU tuning
 

BeckyTDI

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sportsguy said:
OK - I poked around today for some info and equations... :D

...and I found this:

An old post somewhere cited the following data from another (non-VW TDI) engine:

98.632 Hp
174.8 lbs-ft

So, back to Grade 7 and I did some cross multiplication to determine "X"...

98.632 Hp 117.9Hp
174.8 lbs-ft "X" lbs-ft

X = 208.95 lbs-ft - which seems about right given what others usually post with similar mods.

If I base it on VW numbers for my engine (90Hp / 177 lbs-ft (IIRC) - 2001 model), then the figures work out like this:

90.00 Hp 117.9Hp
177 lbs-ft "X" lbs-ft

X = 231.87 lbs-ft - I WISH...! LOL

I also used a basic set of equations to try to calculate the torque figures. Since the guy running the dyno was not familiar with dyno-ing TDIs, the whole thing is suspect - my printout has HP, but no RPM figures (thus no torque numbers). So, the math below CAN back up my math above, but it's based on a roughly 3,000 RPM horsepower peak - no idea if that's accurate or not...

Here's the longer math and the actual equation itself from here...

TQ = (33000.0*117.9)/(2.0*3.1415*3000)

TQ = 3890700 / 18849

TQ = 206.41
HP = (TQ*2.0*PI*RPM)/33000.0
TQ = (33000.0*HP)/(2.0*PI*RPM)

where:

TQ = torque in ft-lbs
HP = power in horsepower
RPM = engine speed in revolutions per minute
PI = the mathematical constant PI (approximately 3.141592654)
Note: 33000 = conversion factor (550 ft-lbs/sec * 60 sec/min)Overall, the whole thing was a PITA - next time I'll wait until I take a trip the US and plan it properly. The local guys have very little experience with TDI cars. Given my choise was to skip it or run, I chose to run (obviously) and get the HP-at-the-wheels numbers. I don't think I would go back to my local guys again, though.
Sweet Jesus Duane. That makes my head hurt :confused: :eek:
 

sportsguy

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Oh come on Becks! I posted that hoping you'd be able to help me with the right algorithm to figure out the actual torque numbers... :D
 

Slave2school

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Our engines make 155lb-ft stock. So that torque is only the point at the max hp right? Do you have a graph for the Hp or just max numbers with the rpm? It would be nice to see a torque calculation from the 1800-1900-2000-2100-2200-2300-2400 ranges.
 
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sportsguy

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Can we confirm the 2001 VE engines indeed have 155 lbs-ft of torque? I thought they had 177...

Either way, once we can confirm it, it's just math after that... :)
 

Slave2school

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" The VE engines were found in A3 Jettas, B4 Passats (1995/1996), New Beetles (till the end of 2003), Jetta IV (till the end of 2003), and Golfs (till the end of 2003). The VE engine found in the A3 Jettas and B4 Passats were rated at 90hp and 149ft.lbs of torque. The A4 Jetta, New Beetle, and A4 Golf were rated at 90hp and 155ft.lbs.

The PD version are available in New Beetles (2004 - 2006), Jettas (2004 -2006), Jetta Wagons (2004 - 2006), Golfs (2004 -2005), B5 Passat (2004 and 2005), and the 2005 V10 Toureg. The PD found in the New Beetles, Jettas, and Golfs are rated at 100hp and 177ft.lbs torque from a 1.9l engine. The B5 Passat with it's 2.0l TDI pumped out 134 hp and 247 ft.lbs of torque. The king of power is the 5.0l 310HP V10 Touareg that puts out 553 ft.lbs of torque which will be back as a 2007 model. " www.tdiclub.com
 

BeckyTDI

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sportsguy said:
Oh come on Becks! I posted that hoping you'd be able to help me with the right algorithm to figure out the actual torque numbers... :D
Hahahahahahahahaha....no.
 
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