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Old June 13th, 2019, 08:42   #76
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There is no "1500" 906 Sprinter. 2500 8550 GVWR is all the single rear wheel models, regardless of roof height or wheelbase (so even mine, which is the smallest 906, standard wheelbase, standard roof) EXCEPT for the "super singles", which are a 3500 single rear wheel but with a larger goofball rear tire that is nuts expensive and exclusive to JUST those, and of course since they are different than the front, no rotations. The 3500 dual rear wheels have all six same size tires, not sure of their GVWR but it is higher. They also get a 7500 pound tow rating ( regardless of engine or body) whereas the 2500 is only 5000 pounds (again, regardless of engine or body). Super Singles were only available in the higher roof and longer wheelbases I think. Which is odd, because the 3500 DRW was available in the standard wheelbase high roof.

I have never heard of any water pump problems, I will be on the lookout for that. All the 4 cyl ones I service have had exactly zero issues of any kind. And some of them are pretty loaded (HVAC company has theirs loaded down, ladder racks on top, etc., and they run them hard). I think our highest mileage ones are about 120k now. Sprinter forum has a couple running much higher than that, though. This was my primary reason why I wanted one instead of the V6, although the V6s have not been super problematic for us either aside from the early SCR stuff... although I did have to do a glow control module this week on a 2008... with 356k miles on the clock.

The new Sprinters' passenger version also lost the low roof setup, one more thing that makes mine one to hang on to. The Promaster is like that.

A coworker left here a month ago to move to SC to work for a van upfitter that set up shop 7 miles from the plant. They are doing all the new Amazon Sprinters.

They are not messing around, they've processed several THOUSAND already, with a bunch more to go... the plant is barely able to keep up.

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Old June 14th, 2019, 11:22   #77
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I just had to dodge one of those new Amazon Sprinters in New Jersey this morning .

I might get flamed for this but I am seriously considering a gasoline powered truck this time around. My Powerstroke got totaled last September and I still havenít replaced it. I just donít need the torque for hauling cars anymore now that Iím covering ALL of North America now for my day job.

Whatever I buy will spend most of its time at the airport 15 miles away.
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Old June 14th, 2019, 12:51   #78
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I might get flamed for this but I am seriously considering a gasoline powered truck this time around. My Powerstroke got totaled last September and I still havenít replaced it. I just donít need the torque for hauling cars anymore now that Iím covering ALL of North America now for my day job.
Whatever I buy will spend most of its time at the airport 15 miles away.
A coworker went with a 2018 gas Silverado 2500 then he was complaining about 16MPG. I honestly bought my Ecodiesel because I needed a truck and a daily driver, not to haul or tow except on occasions.
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Old June 14th, 2019, 19:01   #79
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I might get flamed for this but I am seriously considering a gasoline powered truck this time around.
I was faced with the same dilemma in the spring of last year when I had to decide on replacement for my 2010 Jetta TDI. At first, the thought of driving a gasser sounded like a heresy and high treason, but then I realized it's all about the cost of owning and operating the vehicle. I pulled a clean sheet of paper and a pen and started writing both positives and negatives of both types of engines, what my needs are, then I found out what is available, whether it would fit into my garage, considered how much driving I would be doing, and did the numbers. The biggest distractor for a diesel was the complexity of the emissions system, how prone to failure the system is and the cost to fix it. It didn't help that some diesels (Titan XD Cummins, for example) won't start if the ambient is below the freezing point of the urea, which is 11 degrees F, if I'm not mistaken. The biggest distractor for a gasser was, of course, the unimpressive fuel economy. When I was done, the numbers and all other factors pointed me in the direction of a simple, reliable and time-proven gasser, so don't be too harsh on yourself if you arrive at the same conclusion I did.
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Old June 15th, 2019, 03:22   #80
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If choosing what to drive is about total cost of ownership, why would someone (a) buy new, and (b) buy a truck at all? Unless you frequently use the truck's capabilities of hauling stuff or towing, driving one full time isn't economical compared to a car. I used to travel by air a lot for work (by a lot I mean 200 days a year). If I still did that I'd buy electric, because I can use HOV lanes when alone on my way to the airport, and I get preferred parking and free charging in the airport.

Part of why I still drive my ALH Jetta Wagon is it's cheap to own and drive. I still drive a lot of miles a year (about 30,000 total) and the MKIV is as close to perfect as I can get. Low maintenance even at its age, 48-50 MPG like clockwork regardless of how fast I drive, and it can carry 99% of what I ever need. If i need to carry something larger i can have it delivered, ask one of my friends with a truck, or rent. Far cheaper overall, especially given what any new truck costs these days, diesel or gas.
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Old June 15th, 2019, 15:39   #81
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Yep. I just got back from a 700 mile trip in my Golf. With no fuel stops along the way.
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Old June 16th, 2019, 09:40   #82
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If choosing what to drive is about total cost of ownership, why would someone (a) buy new, and (b) buy a truck at all?
I don't drive a truck, so I cannot answer the second part of your question. However, I'd like to offer my own insight into why people opt for a new rather than used vehicles.

The first and perhaps the most important reason is that buying a used car is always a leap of faith. You simply cannot know for sure what the previous owner(s) did to the vehicle. And I am not talking just about those signs that are clearly visible even to the layperson, such as dents in the door panels or a flat tire. I am talking about things that even professional mechanic would have difficulties detecting without extensive tests or taking the vehicle apart, such as neglected regular preventive maintenance. If you end up buying a car that falls into this category, in the end, you may end up paying more for the car plus required repairs than you would for a brand new one.

Second, some vehicles hold their values so well that even after 3 years and 35,000 miles on the clock, the price difference between used and new is so small that it simply doesn't make any sense to buy a used one. This is my personal experience from last June. At that time, I already decided my next ride after the Jetta would be a 4Runner. The first thing that crossed my mind was that I'm going to buy a used one in great shape that just came off of a lease with no more than 3 years and 35k on the clock. I expected to pay significantly less than I would for a new one. No luck there, I tried dealers and private parties alike, but the best I could get was around $ 3k less than the invoice on a brand new one, plus the number of available used units was very limited. So, I decided to get a new one and configure it exactly as I wanted.
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Old June 16th, 2019, 10:14   #83
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My preference is to buy cars new and keep them a long time, but with the depreciation rates on near luxury and luxury cars it's foolish to buy new. Trucks can be similar, although diesels tend to hold their value better than gasoline pickups.

As far as I can calculate my '11 335d was about $52K new. I bought it two years ago with 48K on it for just over $15K. That's a lot of depreciation in 6 years. The car has been well maintained and turned out to be a good one, although I hear you about not knowing how a car was treated by the previous owner.
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Old June 17th, 2019, 03:45   #84
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I couldn't easily get by without a pickup, but I wouldn't dream of driving it around every day. I *could* get by with a trailer behind a car for most things, but it would be clunky and inconvenient. Plus, used pickup trucks are CHEAP and are everywhere.

One of the reasons I do not drive mine unless I need to is its abysmal fuel economy, though. If someone sold something like it that was capable of getting into the 30s, which is totally possible since the technology already exists, I'd drive one more. But the manufacturers won't do that for us at a price point that makes any sense. So my $3k F150 that gets 16 MPG sits much of the time. I am not buying a 30 MPG pickup for $50k that has a bunch of stuff I do not need or want, without the one thing I DO need and want: the proper 8 ft bed. I also do not really relish the idea of a rando-fail slushbox liability hanging over my head either.
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Old June 17th, 2019, 18:31   #85
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Must be an area thing, here 4x4 pickups are like gold. Anything under 5 grand is going to be a rusted out beat to death brodozer. Pretty funny what I see on craigslist around here some time.

What cracks me up is the amount of people who use them for daily commuter vehicles. One guy at work buys a BRAND NEW F350 super duper cab to commute to work. At he trades them in every year. I think I would rather wipe my rear end with money that do that...don't even get me started with the idiots who buy decent diesel HD pickups just to jack them up to the sky and blow black smoke everywhere. Way to go to take yet another good diesel work pickup out of the market and make it a brodozer.


Ok I am done ranting.
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Rust belt stuff is worthless here. If they are like gold there, you could make a mint transporting stuff around the country. You cannot throw an empty Skoal can in these parts without hitting a 4WD pickup.
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Just glanced on CL and there are a bunch of trucks in the 10-15 year old/100K mile range with manual transmissions for about $5K. That actually seems high to me, but it's a lot less than a $60K new diesel. And I still don't need one.
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I don't drive a truck, so I cannot answer the second part of your question. However, I'd like to offer my own insight into why people opt for a new rather than used vehicles.

The first and perhaps the most important reason is that buying a used car is always a leap of faith. You simply cannot know for sure what the previous owner(s) did to the vehicle. And I am not talking just about those signs that are clearly visible even to the layperson, such as dents in the door panels or a flat tire. I am talking about things that even professional mechanic would have difficulties detecting without extensive tests or taking the vehicle apart, such as neglected regular preventive maintenance. If you end up buying a car that falls into this category, in the end, you may end up paying more for the car plus required repairs than you would for a brand new one.

Second, some vehicles hold their values so well that even after 3 years and 35,000 miles on the clock, the price difference between used and new is so small that it simply doesn't make any sense to buy a used one. This is my personal experience from last June. At that time, I already decided my next ride after the Jetta would be a 4Runner. The first thing that crossed my mind was that I'm going to buy a used one in great shape that just came off of a lease with no more than 3 years and 35k on the clock. I expected to pay significantly less than I would for a new one. No luck there, I tried dealers and private parties alike, but the best I could get was around $ 3k less than the invoice on a brand new one, plus the number of available used units was very limited. So, I decided to get a new one and configure it exactly as I wanted.
You missed one point that I tried to show my daughter. If you have to borrow money to purchase, the interest rates on new are always lower than used. Many times through the year, you can get new with 0% interest. Even to those that don't like to borrow money, that's still a good deal. She bought a small Buick SUV through Carvana that I think she could have gotten about the same deal on new.
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