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VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) Discussions area for A6/MkVI (2010-2014) Golf and Golf Wagons (Jetta Sportwagon in the USA).

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Old April 10th, 2019, 10:33   #2161
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The thing they stick in the fuel fill neck to prohibit the use of a non-diesel nozzle, no idea how it is supposed to work, as they also sell a funnel to be able to defeat it since it often will not allow the car to be fueled up even with diesel.
Wow!!!!!!!!! Never had a situation where the station didn't have a nozzle that would fit through that protection device. If you have to use the funnel (which I do carry in my trunk) you would be needing fuel like right now with no other choice as there are many more stations with appropriate nozzles. I think the protection it offers far outweighs the hate for it that is preached on this forum. Also if you remove it and introduce gasoline into the car and it fails your on your own. What's the big deal?
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Old April 11th, 2019, 03:26   #2162
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I think the 'hate' comes from the fact that a lot of people could not fuel up at the place(s) they had been fueling up prior to its installation.

I do not speak from experience myself, nor have I had anyone come in here at our shop with any issues that I was told about.

The couple CR TDIs I have fueled up had no problems.
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Old April 12th, 2019, 16:51   #2163
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Speaking of failsafe devices, does anyone still make a filter to put just downstream of the HPFP and catch the shrapnel? If not, can such a thing be Gomered up.
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Old April 12th, 2019, 18:21   #2164
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I think the 'hate' comes from the fact that a lot of people could not fuel up at the place(s) they had been fueling up prior to its installation.

I do not speak from experience myself, nor have I had anyone come in here at our shop with any issues that I was told about.

The couple CR TDIs I have fueled up had no problems.
Sounds like "a lot of people" fed you a line of BS.
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Old April 14th, 2019, 07:34   #2165
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Is there any year/model that is less likely to have the HPFP grenade? This has probably been covered, but I have not kept up with it. Thanks.
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Old April 14th, 2019, 11:21   #2166
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I believe the extended warranty was only for 2009-2012, which implies the 2013-2014 models were less plagued. Last I read the 2015s haven't been on the road in sufficient numbers or long enough to generate accurate statistics, but the mood seems to be that they'll likely fall on the probably not side of things. There have been numerous revisions, even for the earlier models. It's not entirely clear that an older or newer pump is more/less problematic. I'm not sure how much energy you want to devote to this concern. I've had a 2012 with the extended warranty, which had just expired about 5K miles before I turned it in. I'm in a 2015 with 80K and it still has a ways to go under warranty.
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Old April 16th, 2019, 14:12   #2167
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I believe the extended warranty was only for 2009-2012, which implies the 2013-2014 models were less plagued. Last I read the 2015s haven't been on the road in sufficient numbers or long enough to generate accurate statistics, but the mood seems to be that they'll likely fall on the probably not side of things. There have been numerous revisions, even for the earlier models. It's not entirely clear that an older or newer pump is more/less problematic. I'm not sure how much energy you want to devote to this concern. I've had a 2012 with the extended warranty, which had just expired about 5K miles before I turned it in. I'm in a 2015 with 80K and it still has a ways to go under warranty.
Any TDI that was fixed under the DieselGate recall, is covered under the extended emissions warranty. That includes the 2013-2015s.
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Old April 17th, 2019, 01:25   #2168
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Before dieselgate ever happened 2009-2012 TDIs had an HPFP extended warranty to 120,000. The 2012 with an extended warranty that expired I referred to in my second to last sentence couldn't have been covered under the dieselgate recall since it a) expired and b) was "turned in" so that should have been clear I wasn't referring to the dieselgate extended warranty.
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Old April 26th, 2019, 06:59   #2169
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I believe the extended warranty was only for 2009-2012, which implies the 2013-2014 models were less plagued.
IMHO, the reason the extended warranty only covered the 09-12 models years was because those were the years included in the NHTSA investigation. I think I was between the two warranties for a few months and about 12,000 miles. I still have got another 3+ for the hpfp to go out on VWs dime.
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Old August 13th, 2019, 12:17   #2170
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I was planning on buying a 2012-2014 TDI Golf in the next month. I have done some research and the DPF/EGR/emissions equipment didn't scare me....then I found this thread and read most of it.

Is IP failure really imminent?
I read where some are installing CP3 pumps, but I do not see where there are parts or retrofit kits available.

I am a mechanic and do all of my own maintenance and repairs.
Should I skip the Golf and buy a Civic?
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Old August 13th, 2019, 12:29   #2171
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I see more of these cars than a lot of people, and so far, total, I have seen six HPFP failures. Two I fixed, both around 160k miles, three that were fixed by VAG no questions asked, the last one no idea on the outcome.

I have seen FAR more DPF failures, turbo failures, and countless other minor things.

Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely? Not as much as you'd think.

FWIW, I have seen more Civics with holes in the engine block casting than I have seen HPFP failures on CR TDIs, too. Bet you never heard of that one, either?
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Old August 13th, 2019, 13:20   #2172
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Thanks for the quick response Oilhammer! I am familiar with the 1.8 Civic engine block issues.

If I do get a Golf I am planning on loosing any exhaust equipment that fails. What is causing the turbo failures on the CJAA engines? Any other show stoppers? If I did experience an IP failure is it just a matter of replacing the IP pump, flushing the fuel rail and cleaning injectors? I am having a hard time imagining what costs $10 K to repair after a failure.

Love me some diesels! My current DD has a Cummins.
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Old August 13th, 2019, 16:39   #2173
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add some 2 stroke oil (or favorite lube of choice) to the fuel... or convert to the cp3, kits are out there.


I ran something like 40~45k with 2 stroke & all emissions in place and saw nothing alarming with the dpf (had a thread on it with what I was seeing)
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Old August 13th, 2019, 18:26   #2174
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Just found the conversion kits! Good stuff. I’m going to follow you’re advise and just add some fuel lubricant and see how I make out.

On another note I like the reported efficiency of the EA288 in the 2015 models, but I would be leery of the variable displacement oil and coolant pumps. I bet the CJAA engine is not far behind in efficiency once the DPF system is no longer wasting extra fuel.
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Old August 13th, 2019, 20:41   #2175
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Just found the conversion kits! Good stuff. Iím going to follow youíre advise and just add some fuel lubricant and see how I make out.

On another note I like the reported efficiency of the EA288 in the 2015 models, but I would be leery of the variable displacement oil and coolant pumps. I bet the CJAA engine is not far behind in efficiency once the DPF system is no longer wasting extra fuel.



Here's the thread... should contain how much 2SO I used...


http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=393746
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