VW Rejecting Non-Clean Titles?

halbert

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Guys--I think Hanlon's razor applies to this mess:

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

There is no grand conspiracy. Just a bunch of average idiots who aren't thinking things through. Anybody remember the chaos the first 3 months of the buyback where you were lucky if you got through to the phone system within an hour or two?
 

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If the settlement was only to help people that were harmed they wouldn't allow new owners, they would just compensate existing owners for damages, or they could test to see if you were actually harmed, or any other myriad of tests, but none of that is in the settlement.
This talk of harmed owners assumes VW is not being punished for certifying non-compliant cars, hence the EPA and FTC involvement.
Whoever said that is just blowing smoke or is a trained VW parrot. I know I'm speculating but the direction of discussion loses context at times.
Again, don't forget per the settlement VW is required to pay restitution twice when a car is totaled - one to the totaled car owner, and again in the buyback to the new owner who bought it at auction, fixed, and re-registered the car. This is clearly a problem I can understand VW would have issue with. At the same time I have an excruciatingly difficult time reconciling how they could have missed that if they indeed did not expect it.
Exactly my words-thanks.
For all-don't forget to contact agencies involved.This "delay" of about one year now is not acceptable.

LEAD ATTORNEY Class Counsel
ecabraser@lchb.com
pgnguyen@lchb.com
t 415.956.1000 ext. 2236

FTC Email: jcohen2@ftc.gov
(202) 326-2551

DOJ
bethany.engel@usdoj.gov
po box 7611
washington Dc 20044-7611

COURT APPOINTED CLAIMS SUPERVISOR
terrence.brody@ankura.com
john.hays@ankura.com
1.202.481.1337 Direct


EPA Emails:
OTAQ@epa.gov
Iddings.Brianna@epa.gov
VW_settlement@epa.gov
734-214-4428

THE CRC
crc@vwcourtsettlement.com
1-844-98-CLAIM or 1-844 982-5246


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Claims Supervisor Reports:

http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/crb/vwmdl/claims-reports

Updates:
http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/crb/vwmdl
 

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Here is reply from EPA I just got today.
Thank you for your email. The EPA is not managing the buyback program, so I am unable to look up your specific claims. We refer questions about buyback logistics to the class counsel, who is handling issues with buyback logistics. I suggest you contact them at Class Counsel Email: info@vwclasscounsel.com or Class Counsel Phone: 1-800-948-2181.



I am including the information below in hopes that it helps add clarity to your situation, for your vehicles with rebuilt titles. I hope this information is helpful.



Under the 2.0 Liter Settlement Agreement, a vehicle must be “operable” in order to qualify as an “eligible vehicle”. A vehicle is not “operable” if it had a branded title of, among other things, “Rebuilt” as of September 18, 2015, and was acquired by any person or entity from a junkyard or salvaged after September 18, 2015. I have included relevant language from Appendix A to the consent decree below as well as a link to the EPA’s settlement if you wish to review it.



From Appendix A of the 2.0 Liter Settlement (First Partial Consent Decree):



2.8 “Eligible Vehicle” means any 2.0 Liter Subject Vehicle that is: (1) listed in the table immediately below this Paragraph; (2) registered with a state Department of Motor Vehicles or equivalent agency or held by a dealer not affiliated with Settling Defendants and located in the United States as of June 28, 2016; and (3) Operable as of the date the vehicle is brought in for the Buyback, the Lease Termination, or Approved Emissions Modification.



2.10 “Operable” means that a vehicle so described can be driven under its own 2.0-liter TDI engine power. A vehicle is not Operable if it had a branded title of “Assembled,” “Dismantled,” “Flood,” “Junk,” “Rebuilt,” “Reconstructed,” or “Salvaged” as of September 18, 2015, and was acquired by any person or entity from a junkyard or salvaged after September 18, 2015.



A copy of the EPA’s settlement can be found here: https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/thi...al-and-20l-partial-and-amended-consent-decree.



Under the settlement, VW may elevate review of certain claims. That may be what you are experiencing. I recommend that you contact class counsel, and check in with VW periodically for updates to your claims.



Sincerely,



Brianna Iddings

Vehicle and Engine Enforcement Branch

Air Enforcement Division

Office of Civil Enforcement

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency




I emailed back:
Non of these vehicles had rebuilt title as of September 8 2015 and they were and are operable.
The problem is VW is holding all such claims over a year now and there is nothing we can do-they will not deny the claim-they will just let the sit in the portal with no decision ,which is clear violation of the settlement and clean air act.
The counsel will not do anything.Me and many other people contacted them many,many times and all we hear is that they are working on it.First they said by Sept 2017,then by end of the 2017 and nothing.
It has been close to one YEAR now.
Please help.
 

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Completed the buyback on my clean title Audi today

No surprise the buybacks according to the specialist on hand have slowed to a trickle.

Your Captain Obvious observation: So if buy backs have slowed to a rather manageable pace why are the rebuilts not starting to process?
 

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No surprise the buybacks according to the specialist on hand have slowed to a trickle.

Your Captain Obvious observation: So if buy backs have slowed to a rather manageable pace why are the rebuilts not starting to process?

According to what lead counsel cabreser firm told me its because they are trying to get all profiteers (recent purchases from basically june 2017-present or people w multiple claims) excluded from the settlement due to not being part of the spirit of the settlement and are not going to finish any of those claims until it is resolved. They told me no court date is upcoming for that and more then likely will go till end of settlement 2019. Was also told yes judge can change the settlement if he finds it not in spirit of settlement like he did w/ people stealing parts off. Scary stuff for us people w cars still.
 

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Not that scary , lot of cars will be switching owners ,they will still get them believe me :)
 

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Not that scary , lot of cars will be switching owners ,they will still get them believe me :)
I said ok I will just switch into another owner buddyof mine that hasnt done a claim. She said the vin numbers are now flagged and u wont be able to do that.
 

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I said ok I will just switch into another owner buddyof mine that hasnt done a claim. She said the vin numbers are now flagged and u wont be able to do that.
Just wait until VW looses first few lawsuits with people who opted out .They are starting this month.Things will move quickly.
 

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Flagged or not doesn't matter, Good, let them pollute than , EPA will maybe like that since they don't care..
In my opinion they will either buy them back or fix them," (that is if we will bring them for a fix and if we receive the payment . If not , good luck paying the penalties to VW.) and they will end up back into used car market polluting and competing against clean titles with much much lower prices then Clean titles.

If this doesn't happen soon , I would recommend to everyone , to join forces here and let's make a new class action lawsuit with some Media Coverage that is what we needs.
 

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Just wait until VW looses first few lawsuits with people who opted out .They are starting this month.Things will move quickly.

I agree with Miltak, wait until they have to pay double what they were paying us. Maybe than that will create some urgency on VW part to put this matter behind them and move on .
 

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According to what lead counsel cabreser firm told me its because they are trying to get all profiteers (recent purchases from basically june 2017-present or people w multiple claims) excluded from the settlement due to not being part of the spirit of the settlement and are not going to finish any of those claims until it is resolved. They told me no court date is upcoming for that and more then likely will go till end of settlement 2019. Was also told yes judge can change the settlement if he finds it not in spirit of settlement like he did w/ people stealing parts off. Scary stuff for us people w cars still.
No offense, but am I the only one finding this hard to believe? All around - that VW is going to be able to get out of a chunk of claims like this, or that the person at Leif Cabraser would have had this kind of conversation even if it were true?
 

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No offense, but am I the only one finding this hard to believe? All around - that VW is going to be able to get out of a chunk of claims like this, or that the person at Leif Cabraser would have had this kind of conversation even if it were true?
I agree. I also called the law firm and was told this is NOT possible and NOT true
 

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I agree. I also called the law firm and was told this is NOT possible and NOT true
Look guys I have nothing to gain by this. I dont want it to be true, I have 2 cars that if it is true I lose. Just sharing what I have been told 2 different days. Someone posted on another link that they called today and were also told this same information.
 

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Look guys I have nothing to gain by this. I dont want it to be true, I have 2 cars that if it is true I lose. Just sharing what I have been told 2 different days. Someone posted on another link that they called today and were also told this same information.
No, the other post wasn't told the same thing. He was told he was getting half restitution on a 3.0 claim because he purchased after July 2017. Still a big problem, but VERY different from what you're saying.
 

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No, the other post wasn't told the same thing. He was told he was getting half restitution on a 3.0 claim because he purchased after July 2017. Still a big problem, but VERY different from what you're saying.
I hope the person I have been talking to is full of it and absolutely wrong. I am supposed to get another call from them tomorrow
 

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Look guys I have nothing to gain by this. I dont want it to be true, I have 2 cars that if it is true I lose. Just sharing what I have been told 2 different days. Someone posted on another link that they called today and were also told this same information.
Motodude, who gave you this information at Lief Cabraser? Was it Phong Nguyer or someone else. This is a completely different story from what we got from Phong few weeks ago.
 

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Bs posting

Not sure what people have to gain if they dont own cars involved, or speculating negativity. I agree with statement below:

No offense, but am I the only one finding this hard to believe? All around - that VW is going to be able to get out of a chunk of claims like this, or that the person at Leif Cabraser would have had this kind of conversation even if it were true?

Im sure we can all agree on this, statements dont seem true that are posted here for instance the setllement is until the end of 18 not 19. That its scary for people who have multiple cars to me if judge was worried about issues such as rebuilt, salvage, many cars one claimant he would have changed it immediately. In Fact the settlement for non vw dealers actually encourages and it is ok for them to profit, as its in the course of their business. So worst case you let a dealer who was in existence in 2015 and earlier turn in your cars. Lawyers always find ways to make it work within the scope of the settlement. Lets hope class counsel does what they can to assist all claimants involved.
 

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Motodude, who gave you this information at Lief Cabraser? Was it Phong Nguyer or someone else. This is a completely different story from what we got from Phong few weeks ago.
Her name is amanda. I will ask tomorrow her specific title.
 

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Her name is amanda. I will ask tomorrow her specific title.
Amanda is just a paralegal. She is not close to the source. You need to insist to speak with Phong Nguyen. Please share the conversation with Phong on this forum. Also, there is a difference between the 2.0 and 3.0 L settlements. Please be specific to which settlement the information applies.
 

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Her name is amanda. I will ask tomorrow her specific title.
Her name is Amanda Poole. mailto:apoole@lchb.com She is out of Jacksonville. I did not know the firm has an office there but she allegedly works there. I have had problems communicating with her. She is responsive, but is full of bad information. Her title has her as a “paralegal”. I told her my situation and she literally started screaming at me about being a consolidator and against the spirit. I really thought she was going to hyperventilate. I do not exaggerate. She has given me wrong information. I called her out on it as I know the agreement pretty well and she started screaming. Anything she says I would take with a grain of salt

The plaintiffs firm has taken their 175 million and done nothing to advance the cause of the people in a tough situation It is amazing they can get away with not having any information or communicating with people in need. I am disgusted.
 

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Ok guys that is good news if she is misinformed. She seemed to be very angry at me as she called me a profiteer. She said it applies to both 2.0 and 3.0 as I have 1 of each.
 

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Ok guys that is good news if she is misinformed. She seemed to be very angry at me as she called me a profiteer. She said it applies to both 2.0 and 3.0 as I have 1 of each.
I guess she gave you the same treatment she gave me. She did have anger in her voice when she talked to me. I don’t get it. It is like she has a plant from VW on the plaintiff counsel. Can you imagine if Robert Kardashian told O.J. Simpson you’re an idiot. No. He was defending him.

It really seems the Cabraster firm has the junior varsity squad on this case.

I am getting concerned because our voices are not being heard at the table. The FTC and EPA seem to have a hands off approach. Cabreaser calls us profiteers. Who is advocating for us?

I really wonder how much information the judge is getting.
 

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Ok guys that is good news if she is misinformed. She seemed to be very angry at me as she called me a profiteer. She said it applies to both 2.0 and 3.0 as I have 1 of each.
It would be worth getting a hold of Phong Nguyen in the San Francisco office of Leif Cabraser if you'd like to get clarity and accurate information on whether what you've been told is true. He is a partner and seems to be well informed and helpful.
 

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I am getting concerned because our voices are not being heard at the table. The FTC and EPA seem to have a hands off approach. Cabreaser calls us profiteers. Who is advocating for us?
As I have said before, no one is advocating for you. You are not the lead plaintiff here. You are just along for the ride as a class member. Cabreaser is advocating for the lead plaintiff's interests and what they agree(d) to. They have no duty to advocate for you at all. VW has already paid the fines and the government got its money and is out of the picture as well as the attorneys. If they (VW) hit the 85% number there will be no additional fines against them. You are in limbo with nowhere to go. You can't contact the Judge, VW wants you to disappear, Cabreaser seems ambivalent at best about your interests, the government is out of the picture and you can't retain your own council while in this suit and maybe never. VW will probably eventually pay some of these claims and get others excluded or otherwise get out of buying them back (fix only, no payment, so they can be resold). Or they may just wait and pay everyone off and be done. No matter what it is a safe bet nothing will happen quickly on this.
 

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As I have said before, no one is advocating for you. You are not the lead plaintiff here. You are just along for the ride as a class member. Cabreaser is advocating for the lead plaintiff's interests and what they agree(d) to. They have no duty to advocate for you at all. VW has already paid the fines and the government got its money and is out of the picture as well as the attorneys. If they (VW) hit the 85% number there will be no additional fines against them. You are in limbo with nowhere to go. You can't contact the Judge, VW wants you to disappear, Cabreaser seems ambivalent at best about your interests, the government is out of the picture and you can't retain your own council while in this suit and maybe never. VW will probably eventually pay some of these claims and get others excluded or otherwise get out of buying them back (fix only, no payment, so they can be resold). Or they may just wait and pay everyone off and be done. No matter what it is a safe bet nothing will happen quickly on this.
Yes lighyflyer1 you are correct. We are in limbo with nowhere to go. We feel we have legitimate claims. No one has denied us. No one has accepted us. We are being ignored. That is what is so frustrating.
 

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Does anyone here have information about our fellow delayed claimant who filed separate suit for enforcement of the settlement as-is regarding the inclusion of salvage titles? Looking for case filings or contact info. Feel free to DM.
 

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Again, ask her to put her words into an email or on official letterhead. See if that changes her tune!
I would suggest reporting her actions to LCHB's lead counsel, the FTC and Ankura. If someone has an email or voicemail response from this rogue employee, even better.
 

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Does anyone here have information about our fellow delayed claimant who filed separate suit for enforcement of the settlement as-is regarding the inclusion of salvage titles? Looking for case filings or contact info. Feel free to DM.
I spoke to an attorney that was representing other people in our situation (salvage titles). His firm is working on something but he has not gotten back to me in terms of next steps. He hit the same walls as we have with plaintiff counsel. I guess he is frustrated as well.
 
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