bruce846
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Apparently, the Particulatge Filter on a TDI has to be replaced at 100/120K miles. Anyone got a handle on the cost of this parts /labor?
Particulate Filter replacement $$
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speed185187
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I would just delete it. I got rid of the cat on my 03 and it couldn't be happier.
bruce846
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My annual state inspection would be interesting with an emissions code activated.
Turbine Suburban
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DPF has to be inspected at 120k.
Plus 3 Golfer
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The actual language in the 2009 maintenance book is:
It's unlikely that any of those maintanence items labeled "check" will need replaced at the initial check period.
And bruce846, you realize it's against the law to tamper with emissions equipment like removing it.
There was a recent thread showing the current cost of the DPF at $2900. So, $4k with labor wouldn't suprise me at this time. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=2825951&postcount=17
To me that's no different than the maintenance schedule telling you to check the tires every 20k miles, v-belt every 40k miles, CV boots every 40k miles, battery every 20k miles, brake pads every 10k miles and so forth.
It's unlikely that any of those maintanence items labeled "check" will need replaced at the initial check period.
And bruce846, you realize it's against the law to tamper with emissions equipment like removing it.
There was a recent thread showing the current cost of the DPF at $2900. So, $4k with labor wouldn't suprise me at this time. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=2825951&postcount=17
bruce846
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And bruce846, you realize it's against the law to tamper with emissions equipment like removing it.
I think I'm not the one you neeed to direct this comment to!
I think I'm not the one you neeed to direct this comment to!
UberVW_TDI
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Only time will tell how long the DPF's last. Who has the highest mileage 2009 out there?
The manual does say check at 120k miles, then every 10k thereafter. Then after the first replacement to replace every 120k miles.
The latest price I found online (genuine VW part) is $840.00 with a $100 core charge.
I would NOT remove the DPF! Why you ask?
Well two reasons... The first is VW designed the LP EGR (Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation) system to pull exhaust gas after the DPF. The recirculated exhaust gas is then routed back to the INPUT of your turbos air compressor. Borg Warner manufactured the turbo out of specific metals, and special coatings to be able to handle the fairly harsh environment. I would bet it would be a bad idea to allow the particulate (which the DPF normally collects) flow through the air intake side of your turbocharger.
Second reason is the exhaust system has pressure, differential pressure, and temperature sensors that would need to be fooled into thinking the DPF is still there operating normally. So its not as easy as just pulling the DPF out.
The manual does say check at 120k miles, then every 10k thereafter. Then after the first replacement to replace every 120k miles.
The latest price I found online (genuine VW part) is $840.00 with a $100 core charge.
I would NOT remove the DPF! Why you ask?
Well two reasons... The first is VW designed the LP EGR (Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation) system to pull exhaust gas after the DPF. The recirculated exhaust gas is then routed back to the INPUT of your turbos air compressor. Borg Warner manufactured the turbo out of specific metals, and special coatings to be able to handle the fairly harsh environment. I would bet it would be a bad idea to allow the particulate (which the DPF normally collects) flow through the air intake side of your turbocharger.
Second reason is the exhaust system has pressure, differential pressure, and temperature sensors that would need to be fooled into thinking the DPF is still there operating normally. So its not as easy as just pulling the DPF out.
UberVW_TDI
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Here is a thread with more information on the exhaust/turbo system...
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=225435&highlight=Bv-43
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=225435&highlight=Bv-43
raybo
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Wow - that thread is a must-read...UberVW_TDI said:
Ray
dzcad90
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Though this is not a bargain, I'm actually surprised at how little this costs. Some had been floating the $4K number around, which is just absurd.UberVW_TDI said:
I can only imagine as the CBEA gets a little age, this part will go down in price a bit.
Timing belt and possible DPF replacement for probably around $2K does make for a really expensive 120K service. That's an extra 1.6 cents per mile one has to figure in.
bruce846
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Anyone interested in a great graphical presentation on TDI should navigate over to this page and wait for it to load, then click on 2.0l 2007 or 2008, sit back enjoy the music and see what's going on under your hood. I know it says Audi, but same engine and tech.
http://www.audi-tdi-chronicle.com/start.php
http://www.audi-tdi-chronicle.com/start.php
JSWTDI09
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My Bentley service manual talks about "check ash loading" every 120,000 miles and replace DPF when necessary. There is a measuring block you can look at with VCDS (or the dealer's tester) called oil ash quantity. I could be off a little in that name, I'm not looking at Vag-Com at the moment, but I suspect that this is what they will be checking. I have no idea if this is a measured quantity, or a modeled (calculated) quantity. It might also be possible to measure the pressure differential across the DPF after a re-gen and determine ash loading.flatout said:
The whole truth is that nobody has yet put 120,000 miles on one of these new "clean diesels", so we are really just guessing how VW (and others) will handle this when the time comes. If you are one of those people who put 50k miles per year on your car - you can tell us what happens at 120k miles in a year or so. If you are one of those people who only put 15k miles per year on your car - stay tuned right here, and one of those in the first group will tell us all about what happens. This engine's control and emissions systems are new technology (at least here in NA) and only time will tell the whole story.
Have Fun!
Don
bruce846
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Actually this TDI presentation sold me on the JSW
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fleuger99 said:
I agree, an outstanding explanation of the turbo diesel.
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flylow2
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I have 94K miles and recently checked the ash loading and it was about 93 ml. I believe I read that 240 ml is max allowable. This would be at about 240K miles.
Rather Be Biking
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I haven't heard of one wearing out from old age yet. A few defectives ones changed under warranty, but none dead of natural causes. I assume that when we get enough miles on TDIs for this to be a problem, there will be an after market fix. D&W diesel is chomping at the bit for some of this work, sending out mailers to TDI owners.
pedro5604
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How did you measured the ash level? I will be interested to know because I already have 139k, thanks
Kenn JSW
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One thing to consider is that the high mileage cars should also be the ones with low ash loading for their mileage. If they get lots of miles on them quickly, that means, most likely, lots of highway driving and minimal short trips. That would seem perfect for low ash buildup. So cars driven less might have to have DPFs changed out at lower miles. Hopefully, 120K will pretty much be the minimum that they'll last.
MacBuckeye
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One question for those guys who have after-market exhaust systems (DPF delete) and Malone Tune… what harm, if any, will there be with the turbo, EGR, etc. ??
From what I hear, they are seeing increased MPG, increased HP, and it's "easier" on the engine.
Not true??
Sad thing for 2009 owners if they want to keep their car for any length of time is to spend $5000 for a DPF replacement, OR... DPF delete + tune for about half the cost.
From what I hear, they are seeing increased MPG, increased HP, and it's "easier" on the engine.
Not true??
Sad thing for 2009 owners if they want to keep their car for any length of time is to spend $5000 for a DPF replacement, OR... DPF delete + tune for about half the cost.
meerschm
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Use the VCDS or ask Dealer to check during other scheduled service.
also check out:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=324067&highlight=ash
flylow2
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Ash is anything that will not burn. Regeneration will not burn ash. Highway miles has nothing to do with it. The wrong oil, compromised air filter, and dirty or high sulfur fuel can contribute to excessive ash build up. If all is as good as it can be, it seems the accumulation is about 1 ml per 1,000 miles.
I'm currently at 280,500 miles, had the DPF replaced under warranty at 25,000 miles, which means I've got 255,500 on the current DPF. Do not have VCDS but plan to have dealer check ash load when I go in for service within the next couple weeks. Will let you all know what I find out.
limbwalker
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I discovered that my DPF had failed (cracked) before the 120K mark.
Private mechanic told me he thought he could get the replacement parts for about $900, plus his labor (not sure what that would have been) to replace it. Dealership told me $1700-1900 in parts, plus their labor (approx. $700-900) to replace it.
Having had mine fail before the scheduled inspection threshold, I would have been very reluctant to replace it. Had I decided to keep the car, I would have had it deleted.
Private mechanic told me he thought he could get the replacement parts for about $900, plus his labor (not sure what that would have been) to replace it. Dealership told me $1700-1900 in parts, plus their labor (approx. $700-900) to replace it.
Having had mine fail before the scheduled inspection threshold, I would have been very reluctant to replace it. Had I decided to keep the car, I would have had it deleted.
Nice! Any other problems you have had?
mortimersnerd
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Wait, what? How in the world did you rack up that kind of mileage in 4 years?