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VW MKVII-Mk7 Golf family including Golf Wagon (~ 2015 +) Discussions area for the Mk7 (2015+) Golf and Golf Wagon TDIs based on the MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten) platform.

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Old December 28th, 2018, 18:42   #16
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Don't think anyone's made an electric pickup yet.[/QUOTE]

They have..:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...2488&FORM=VIRE
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Old December 28th, 2018, 19:26   #17
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Well, they haven't really made it. The video says it's two years away. I wonder if those are Tesla years.
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Old December 28th, 2018, 20:32   #18
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Well, they haven't really made it. The video says it's two years away. I wonder if those are Tesla years.
Well, they made one

Tesla should buy Rivian , If I had a deposit down for a Tesla, I'd ask for my money back to reserve a Rivian for sure.
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Old December 28th, 2018, 20:47   #19
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Well, they made one
Tesla should buy Rivian , If I had a deposit down for a Tesla, I'd ask for my money back to reserve a Rivian for sure.
Kinda risky giving reservation money to a startup company that hasn't made a single production vehicle yet. The specs they are claiming are pretty impressive, no doubt.
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Old December 29th, 2018, 00:02   #20
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As a Mk4 TDI owner, a Mk7 GTI owner and a Chevy Volt owner, I'm far more excited by the coming VW ID line up than anything Tesla's got, or almost any other pending EV.


On TDI resale values, while the TDI you just bought might feel `new`, it is almost 4 years old and probably wont evolve for the better over time.

I get the feeling VW held on to, fixed and re-released pretty much the perfect number of TDIs to satisfy the actual demand in North America. Everyone who still really wanted one pretty much got one.
The aftermarket`s there, sure, but I don`t know if we can expect the evolution of power mods that we saw in previous gen small diesels.

RUG is crazy cheap right now, exacerbated by the annual diesel price climb for heating fuel.

RUG cars really have caught up a lot in terms of highway fuel economy.

Small turbo engines have caught up a lot to TDIs in terms of torque delivery (and they've managed to do it without variable vane geometry turbos... I never would have guessed that would have happened a decade ago).


Cars continue to evolve and improve. The Kia Niro in two years went from a hybrid, to PHEV to full on long range EV. Heck, even the lowly Prius now has an AWD option.


Makes me sad that my dream car will likely never be made- a TTR PHEV AWD TDI Wagon (with a stick, in brown, naturally). It did really look like we were getting close there for a while.

Or how about a Volt style PHEV with a TDI generator and a `fifth`gear connected to that TDI that kicks on at speeds above 55 MPH... which is the achillies heel of most EVs for efficiency.
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Old December 29th, 2018, 04:38   #21
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VW is going to continue to sell the bought back cars until they're gone. Our local dealer estimates this will take another 1-2 years. Not sure of implications for values on cars in the fleet, but they'll most likely fall. Obviously that doesn't matter unless you're selling.

Diesel fuel prices are already getting back in line with RUG, it seems. The price spike this fall was greater than usual, but they're normalizing.

RUG cars are better than they used to be, but they haven't caught up with diesels in power or economy, yet. For example, the 2019 Golf with the 1.4T gas engine has 147 HP, 184 lb/ft of torque, and is EPA rated at 29/37. That doesn't compare favorably to the '15 Golf TDI, which is 150/236, and 30/42. And all of us who drive diesels know that they are more likely than gas cars to meet or exceed their EPA numbers in actual use.

Kia had always planned on a Niro EV. And yes, Prius has an AWD option now, to try and reverse the drop in sales in the past several years. There's talk of discontinuing it.

We live in an interesting time of transition. Like the stock market, I doubt anyone can predict how vehicle propulsion and purchases will play out over the next decade. Stay tuned.
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Old December 29th, 2018, 15:11   #22
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VW is going to continue to sell the bought back cars until they're gone.

RUG cars are better than they used to be, but they haven't caught up with diesels in power or economy, yet. For example, the 2019 Golf with the 1.4T gas engine has 147 HP, 184 lb/ft of torque, and is EPA rated at 29/37. That doesn't compare favorably to the '15 Golf TDI, which is 150/236, and 30/42. And all of us who drive diesels know that they are more likely than gas cars to meet or exceed their EPA numbers in actual use.

We live in an interesting time of transition. Like the stock market, I doubt anyone can predict how vehicle propulsion and purchases will play out over the next decade. Stay tuned.

Yes Señor Wagon, we do indeed live in a "time of transition"...........
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Old January 11th, 2019, 16:39   #23
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That's precisely the reason I bought my '13 JSW TDI. I love wagons, the right amount of space and utility, the low-end torque of the diesel engine, and most of all the extended warranty. If it wasn't for the extended warranty, I wouldn't have even considered buying mine. I might have read too many HPFP-failure stories

I had thought I got a decent deal on mine, but I got mine just as they were appearing on the market. Now with more and more TDI's flooding the market, I see JSWs similar to mine for $1000's less than I paid for mine. Oh well. I'm still happy with mine, despite all the problems I've been having with it (leaking pano, jerking DSG, faulty EGT sensor).
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Old January 11th, 2019, 17:09   #24
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I was thinking about this tonight.. we're a 4 car household with 2 drivers and the VW is losing(lost) its value the quickest, we are grossly upside down(again, no shock). unfortunately we need a wagon/CUV/SUV because of the dog crate, want a stick, love the diesel TQ & economy even with a box.

would you call it a paradox or oxymoron?
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Old January 11th, 2019, 17:12   #25
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would you call it a paradox or oxymoron?
Don't think it's either. Maybe a dilemma. But upside down is what it is. It'll correct on its own once you've paid the car off.
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Old January 11th, 2019, 17:51   #26
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The poor resale caught my eye yesterday. I purchased a 2006 Golf tdi from a coworker a few weeks ago. He definitely gave me a friendly price and I am enjoying the car even with the automatic. So much that I'm looking around to see what it would cost to get everything I want. I found on Carvana some 2015 SportWagens with manual, heated seats, sunroof (I know, but I like them) and even a backup camera for around $16k, more or less depending on mileage. And the Golfs and Jettas are cheaper than that. I'm guessing that means the person who sold the car to Carvana or whereever they get cars from got far less. My Ford Focus ST is depreciating at about the same rate but I would've expected the VW to do better. I always thought American cars dropped faster than Euro.


Now I'm looking around to see if there's a reason not to get a Mk7.
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Old January 11th, 2019, 18:15   #27
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Most of the 2015 GSW "S" models under 30,000 miles that I looked at were in the 15-16K range price wise. I paid 14,900 out the door for mine (taxes, registration etc) and I think it was a fair price with 27K on it but I could be wrong. Sometimes I think I should have waited for a CPO from a VW dealer but crap there was nothing in white, and not even a 2015 in Tucson, just a 14 Jetta, in blue, had to go to Phoenix to get the only white 2015 in the state. I am happy with it I guess that's what counts. It does have a tiny dent on the passenger rocker that is so small I never saw it till two days after I brought it home and the late afternoon sunlight was hitting it just right.

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Old January 11th, 2019, 18:45   #28
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It's kind of funny, that back in '17 I bought my '15 GSW S Manual that was new never, titled, and had 300 miles on it, mostly driving by an IDParts colleague as we'd borrowed the car for a video the previous year. With the $8,500 discount VW was offering and a dealer discount my out the door cost was about $16,500. I paid off the lease a few months later and with the associated lease fees and interest my cost was just over $17K. At the time people thought that was way to much to pay for the car, and many passed on getting new leftover cars because they thought they were too expensive.

With that in mind, costs today aren't lower: In fact you could argue that they're higher, as I have all of a 11 year, 162K mile warranty, and a 3 year/36 month bumper to bumper warranty that started when I took delivery in 2017. So maybe the values of these cars hasn't dropped as much as people feel it has.
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Old January 12th, 2019, 05:14   #29
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I don't think the resale is out of line.

I think that at a point these will plateau(esp the wagons). There will always be a small group of people who value a manual transmission and love the dynamics of a diesel.

The post earlier about a TDI touareg - a friend of mine bought a 14 with 49K on it. I was visiting him in Florida and we did all 4 rotors. I almost fell over when i saw mono block brembos at all 4 corners!

The auto tranny in it with a TDI was my first experience with that combo. Definitely shifted different than i would have expected/done myself and the "manual mode" has wayyy too much lag for me. all in all though great driving vehicle. he drove north for christmas and averaged just under 30
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I don't think the resale is out of line.
After thinking about it a bit more I'm not so sure the resale is all that poor. And Dieselgate is an anomaly that is hard to factor, for me anyway. Maybe the low mileage is skewing my perception. Over the years whenever I met someone with a diesel of any sort they usually put massive miles on it and a lot of these cars that I'm seeing have relatively low miles.



I test drove a VW with DSG when I was buying my GTI in '12. What turned me off of it was the lag and clunk from a dead stop. As in stopping at a traffic light. That's the only time I drove one so that might not be a good characterization but that is how I remember it. I work with a guy that had a TDI with DSG and his only complaint was the 40k fluid change and the cost at the dealer to do the job. So when VW offered him a buyout he took it and ran.
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