El Dobro
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Yep, in Germany, if you don't update your TDI, no registration for you.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-emissions-idUSKBN1A92PP
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-emissions-idUSKBN1A92PP
In Germany Don't Update, Lose Your Registration
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flargabarg
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It's good that the American settlement specifically disallows that.
I'm sure the same will eventually be true here.
Without the fix, our cars are technically/officially NOT "CARB/EPA compliant" vehicles.
Once the fix is released, I'm sure there will be a timer before you'll not be allowed to renew registration. California will probably be first with other states to follow.
Without the fix, our cars are technically/officially NOT "CARB/EPA compliant" vehicles.
Once the fix is released, I'm sure there will be a timer before you'll not be allowed to renew registration. California will probably be first with other states to follow.
DanB36
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I wish people would read some of the discussions that have long since been settled (heck, even the post immediately preceding yours) before making ignorant remarks like this.
2015vwgolfdiesel
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scooperhsd
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Rico567
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This is the second fairly new thread I've seen in 48 hours that is already in need of a lockin'.
turbobrick240
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...and in Saudi Arabia, if you commit various crimes, you can have a hand cut off, eye gouged out, or be stoned to death. It's unfortunate, but not particularly relevant to most of us here in N. America.
tadawson
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False! It's an absolute, fix or not, in the settlement, and thus *CANNOT* be changed . . .
Dieselchen
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and in Germany noone gets any restitution nor was there ever a buyback. People in Europe go out empty handed, unless they sue individually.
Matt-98AHU
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California already was not allowing renewed registration for not having previous software updates performed. California has also lately been denying registration renewal to PD owners who haven't have the glow plug recall done!
I wouldn't put it past California to deny registration renewal if a vehicle did not receive the emissions updates after they become available... It might take them a year or two to implement that, but it would not surprise me at all to see California do that.
I wouldn't put it past California to deny registration renewal if a vehicle did not receive the emissions updates after they become available... It might take them a year or two to implement that, but it would not surprise me at all to see California do that.
DanB36
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It would very much surprise me to see California do that, since they've agreed (as part of the settlement to which they're a party) not to. The stupid is strong here.
Matt-98AHU
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From the long form notice. I did not recall hearing that states would not be allowed to deny registration if a vehicle did not receive the emissions update. What I did read, however, is that if a fix were to never become available by May 2018, you have the option of having the car bought back OR opting out of the class action altogether and keeping the car with no ramifications.
BUT, since there IS a fix available, that last bit flies out the window if you're in a state like California...
It does become a state issue at that point. Many states don't require emissions checks at all and if they genuinely don't care about whether or not your car receives the update, they won't bother denying registration. In a state like California, speaking from experience, it's almost a guarantee they will be the first to deny registration renewal if an update does not become available...
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scooperhsd
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I think I'll trust the lawyer on proper interpretation of the settlement. CA (nor any of the other 45 states that signed on) CANNOT require you to have to get the fix, even if it is available.
If you don't think that is the case - contact CARB and your own lawyer and/or the attorney's representing the class (us).
If you don't think that is the case - contact CARB and your own lawyer and/or the attorney's representing the class (us).
DanB36
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Then you haven't been paying very close attention--this subject has been discussed at length, right here, several times. One of the settlement agreements (I believe it's the DOJ one, but I'm not 100% sure) is explicit that states who take any of the money from the settlement may not refuse registration to unfixed cars. There are 4-5 states, last I heard, that had not taken any of that money. California is not among them.
turbobrick240
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And just because those 4 or 5 states didn't sign off, doesn't mean they have plans to deny anyone registration. They just have that option.
Matt-98AHU
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I've read the DOJ consent decree, long form notice, appendix B with the fix details etc and never recalled seeing anything about states never having the ability to deny registration renewal, but would definitely be interested in reading those discussions.
Any links?
Any links?
DanB36
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Matt-98AHU
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I'm going to assume that will only apply if you are the owner of the vehicle and were the owner before the agreement came out.
If you were to buy a second hand TDI a year from now from an owner that opted out, I have my doubts you would be afforded the same protection from the state denying registration due to not having "the fix" applied. That is the first possible loophole I can think of.
DanB36
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In other words, you're going to invent an assumption that not only has no basis in the text I quoted, but is in fact directly contrary to that text.
turbobrick240
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I'm no lawyer, but I'm not seeing any loopholes there. I don't see any language indicating the protections from registration denial are valid only for the original purchaser.
surfstar
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We all know what happens when people ASSume...
Re-read what was posted. "Subject Vehicle" - not owner related; vehicle related.
fookin
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I agree that registration can be gated by a future recall. It's quite simple and it happens frequently at least in Ca. I had registration held pending dmv receipt of dealer certificate certifying an ECU recall was performed. This can be done by CA outside the settlement or at least after 2018.
turbobrick240
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Seems like a silly argument. Virtually everyone will either take the buyback or get the fix. The remaining handful of unfixed cars aren't going to be of any real concern to any state.
DanB36
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The stupid is strong here. And yes, I'm using that word carefully. If you didn't know better, it'd be simple ignorance. But you've had the controlling language quoted to you, with a link to the entire document, and you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la la la."
Dieselchen
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I thougth this was a discussion about GERMANY? Not California which has been chewed out on many other topics. Lets discuss how Germany and other EU countries fare compare to the USA... thought thats was the topic?
Dieselchen
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YOU ARE USELESS CALIFORNIAN! this is a discussion about GERMANY!!!!
Dieselchen
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YOU ARE USELESS CALIFORNIAN! this is a discussion about GERMANY!!!!
Dieselchen
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YOU ARE USELESS CALIFORNIAN! this is a discussion about GERMANY!!!!
Matt-98AHU
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Useless Californian who repairs these cars every day, born and raised in the Mid West.
Would be an interesting day should our paths cross in meatspace.
Enjoy fretting on the internet over the dieselgate ordeal. I'll continue to enjoy my pre-dieselgate cars for now and will be glad to see the day the johnny come latelies who only show up to TDIClub to whine about dieselgate leave us TDIers who've been enjoying these cars long before VW even started development on the cheatmobiles to get back to the more enjoyable discussions of how to keep our favorite cars going for as long as possible.