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Old July 31st, 2019, 07:01   #1771
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That's what I'm saying. No one cares.
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Old August 14th, 2019, 09:22   #1772
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Car and Driver report on real-world fuel efficiency:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-beat-epa-mpg/

Bottom line: 34 Highway sounds good (at 75 mph, will be higher at 70), but don’t buy a diesel if you will be driving around town much of the time.
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Old August 14th, 2019, 10:50   #1773
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I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to their numbers. First, the vehicle is far from broken in. Second, C&D never achieves EPA combined numbers on any test car. During a recent SUV comparison test they got 13 MPG on a 300 mile trip in a gasser BMW X5, EPA combined is 22. The other trucks in the test also delivered about half their EPA combined FE in their hands.

I bet the CX-5 will deliver over 35 MPG highway when broken in and driven by an skilled driver, without hypermiling. New diesels with emissions hardware do seem to take a bigger hit in city and traffic compared to older diesels.
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Old August 15th, 2019, 18:34   #1774
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You can also check www.spritmonitor.de, the equivalent of fuelly.com in Europe. The average fuel economy for the Mazda CX-5 diesel with an automatic in recent years shows around 30 MPG.
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Old August 16th, 2019, 01:46   #1775
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You can also check www.spritmonitor.de, the equivalent of fuelly.com in Europe. The average fuel economy for the Mazda CX-5 diesel with an automatic in recent years shows around 30 MPG.
And comparing with manual transmission versions on Spritmonitor makes you wonder how bad the Mazda automatic is...
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Old August 16th, 2019, 04:21   #1776
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And comparing with manual transmission versions on Spritmonitor makes you wonder how bad the Mazda automatic is...
I'm wondering if automatics designed for a particular continent are not better because of the choice of shift points that would favor that continent's fuel economy test. The result would be better economy than manual versions just on the basis of shift points.

This was apparent in how the EPA treated the Lexus CT200h as having worse fuel economy than a basically equivalent but otherwise heavier Prius. In reality, the CT200h had at least as good a fuel economy as the Prius. This is from personal experience.

The CT200h BTW was designed originally for the European market.
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...the fuel economy tests are sometimes misleading, that's why real-world logs like fuelly or Spritmonitor are so useful.

And the Ct200 barely found any buyers in Europe
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