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Old April 1st, 2020, 12:23   #11506
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Ventured out into the pandemic today. Took the JSW to make sure that it had a full tank just, in case. Since it hadn't been started for a month, it took a little effort to turn over. Went to the grocery store gas station and even with the discount, the pump price there would have been $2.19. I knew that it was cheaper across the lake, so a little road trip was in the works. Got to the QT in Lake Wylie and was amazed to see D2 at $1.63 and RUG at $1.67. That's right. Both under $2 and diesel cheaper than gasoline. That's the lowest price for diesel I've paid in just over 10 years. I know that becaseu my mileage book was new with the JSW and I've had it 10 years last month. The highest I've paid was April of 2012 at $4.20 a gallon, probably in Orlando area.
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Old April 1st, 2020, 20:06   #11507
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This means gasoline is going to remain plentiful and cheap for at least an additional month.

Also, the weekly Energy Information Administration (EIA) showed pretty low levels of distillate stocks -- below the bottom of the five-year range.

So refinery runs will fall because of the gasoline surplus, and distillate stocks will fall keeping diesel prices relatively high (compared to regular gas).



"The Trump administration said Friday it is delaying a shift to cleaner-burning, summertime gasoline after the coronavirus pandemic caused a plummet in demand and left storage tanks full of winter-grade fuel.

"The Environmental Protection Agency decided to relax those requirements for at least 20 days in response to pleas from refiners and gasoline distributors worried about their ability to drain tanks and other equipment, as coronavirus-spurred lockdowns keep cars off the roads. The EPA warned of potential fuel shortages without a waiver, because refiners and distributors otherwise are required to stop selling winter gasoline on May 1.

"Nobody's buying fuel right now," EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler said in a telephone interview. "There's not the capacity of the tanks just to even blend the winter fuel into the summer fuel. We have a real, live problem out there."

"The EPA's waiver applies to fuel refiners and distribution systems from May 1 to May 20, though additional or regional delays are possible later. Retailers generally face a June 1 deadline to switch over gasoline pumps in parts of the country where smog is a problem. The annual change to low-volatility gasoline is required to minimize air pollution during warm summer months in many parts of the country."

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/...r-gasoline-bl/
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 05:05   #11508
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I wonder if the delay in switching to summer fuel will also delay price increases that typically come with the switch. We'll see.

We renewed our UPS contract yesterday and we were bugging our rep about UPS's fuel surcharge. He reassured us that even if oil prices went to $0 the fuel surcharge would not go away.
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 08:43   #11509
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We renewed our UPS contract yesterday and we were bugging our rep about UPS's fuel surcharge. He reassured us that even if oil prices went to $0 the fuel surcharge would not go away.
That is called greed. Fuel prices are part of UPS' overhead, so if the cost goes down, then the overhead is lessened. By not eliminating the surcharge UPS is just jacking up their profits and by not doing so in the current situation, is probably in violation of the anti-price gouging laws.
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 08:50   #11510
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If the surcharge was there prior to the pandemic shutdown, then it is not considered price gouging. Even if they add some type of hazardous pay surcharge, they can argue against price gouging. On the other hand, if their frieght prices double, that's price gouging.
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 12:39   #11511
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Relax, everyone, I was just pointing out an ongoing exchange that we have with our UPS rep. Their pricing is incredibly complex: along with fuel there are surcharges for residential delivery, extended area delivery, box dimensional weights, Saturday delivery (sometimes), and others.

I'm not one to defend UPS, but the complexity of what they're doing in this crisis boggles the mind. Holding packages for 14 days for businesses that are closed, attempting redelivery after 14 days. If the receiving business is still closed, they will attempt to return the package to the shipper. If the shipper is closed they'll hold the package for another 14 days and try again. Unless package contents are clearly perishable, in which case they'll destroy it. One station in MA had 5 trailers full of undeliverable boxes, two days into the MA shutdown. Not fun. Good thing they love logistics.
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 12:52   #11512
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I wonder if the delay in switching to summer fuel will also delay price increases that typically come with the switch.
I also wonder if we'll see a rise of common rail HPFP failures due to water contamination, if fuel is sitting unused storage tanks.


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I'm not one to defend UPS, but the complexity of what they're doing in this crisis boggles the mind.

+1 delivery people and grocery store workers are fighting on the front lines for us, I don't think it's a great time to ask them to lower shipping prices
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 16:43   #11513
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I also wonder if we'll see a rise of common rail HPFP failures due to water contamination, if fuel is sitting unused storage tanks.
It's gasoline that's sitting in storage tanks unsold and perhaps absorbing water. You shouldn't be putting that in your TDI anyway.
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 17:10   #11514
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It's gasoline that's sitting in storage tanks unsold and perhaps absorbing water. You shouldn't be putting that in your TDI anyway.
Even if it's a lot less expensive than Diesel?
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 17:23   #11515
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It's gasoline that's sitting in storage tanks unsold and perhaps absorbing water. You shouldn't be putting that in your TDI anyway.
So are you saying that every diesel car and pickup is still filling up at the same rate as before and there hasn't been a decrease in the auto diesel tanks rate of emptying?
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Old April 2nd, 2020, 18:41   #11516
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So are you saying that every diesel car and pickup is still filling up at the same rate as before and there hasn't been a decrease in the auto diesel tanks rate of emptying?
No, but the percentage of diesel consumed by autos has to be far less than 1%. The roads are still full of semis and box trucks.
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Old April 4th, 2020, 07:14   #11517
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$2.07 for RUG and $2.45 for diesel at the Speedway.
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Old April 5th, 2020, 15:50   #11518
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Diesel $1.929 in Orangeburg S.C.
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Old Yesterday, 07:26   #11519
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Demand for diesel are trucks and obviously gas demand are cars. Trucks are going crazy delivering on line items people buy to stay away from stores.

When the panic subsides gas prices will go up for sure.
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I'm willing to bet diesel demand is down. Look at photos of the empty ports. No trucks delivering containers if they're not arriving. Most commercial construction and its equipment is at a standstill. Even small businesses, like landscapers, have minimal operations, at least in states that are shut down. I usually see several landscape trucks every morning on my drive to work. Now, none. I doubt anyone is having contractors do home improvements right now, don't want people in the house. Once you start to think about the domino effect of a shut down you realize a lot of fuel users are affected.

And I bet no one is making jet fuel right now. Or much fuel for shipping.
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