Off Road diesel question

My local fuel stop has off road stuff for about 15 cents less a gallon. I guess there is a red Dyne in it to show road tax or whatever. I have deleted my dpf so if I wanted to save a few bucks, would it matter if I wanted to do this?

It would matter insofar as it would be illegal, and the fines if caught far outweigh any savings. Get a tractor if you want the off road stuff.

Does it say you need a farm license plate?

https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/#farm_diesel.asp

includes some penalty info.

but since you already drive an illegal car, perhaps you want to chance it.

might want to ask around and see if there are video cameras watching the pumps.

let us know how it works out

I'm also assuming that the OP was making the post with tongue in cheek as DPF delete solutions are always sold with the proviso that they are for 'off road use only'.
I used to live in a small town that had a third pump with furnace oil in it. Only stipulation was that you had to pump it into jerry cans.

It doesn't sound worth it for saving 2 bucks on a fill up. I may try it out one day as this station usually just has 1 worker at the register and it's usually an old Indian guy. He probably wouldn't car or even notice a car is parked up to the pump and it takes credit cards.

No... Just, NO.

Regardless of weather or not your car is setup for "off road usage" the possible fines greatly outweigh any benefit you'd get from it.

The only two benefits I know of:
-It's dyed red so if you have someone working on your car or someone takes a fuel sample they know you have untaxed diesel in your tank
-It costs less. But again it does because there's no road tax on it.

The fines and issues you may have running the off road stuff has been linked already.
In the end there's no real benefit to filling your tank up with that stuff.

The road taxes help to fix the bridges and roads....and as you can see, they are in bad shape....
So ethically...NO.
LEGALLY...NO
MECHANICALLY...was once no, but now that off road fuel is the same spec as road fuel, yes...
But if you get caught... BIG FINES...and living in the land so close to DC, with so many folks who either work in government, or have spouses that do, or neighbors...
Can you imingine...I saw a guy pumping off road DIESEL into a car...and it get around...local cop who USUALLY only does trucks, pulls you over...takes. Sample of fuel ..and BAMM!! YOU GET A FIBE and the story hits the news...go viral...
So you could save $2 on a fillup....

ZippyNH said:

The road taxes help to fix the bridges and roads....and as you can see, they are in bad shape....
So ethically...NO.
LEGALLY...NO
MECHANICALLY...was once no, but now that off road fuel is the same spec as road fuel, yes...
But if you get caught... BIG FINES...and living in the land so close to DC, with so many folks who either work in government, or have spouses that do, or neighbors...
Can you imingine...I saw a guy pumping off road DIESEL into a car...and it get around...local cop who USUALLY only does trucks, pulls you over...takes. Sample of fuel ..and BAMM!! YOU GET A FIBE and the story hits the news...go viral...
So you could save $2 on a fillup....

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Playing devils advocate on this one but most law enforcement can't tell a TDI from a GTI. It's highly unlikely anything that take 14 gallons is going to get a dip test.

I do agree with your points but that would be a very highly improbable situation.

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How about NO.

It's a tax thing.

It is a farm subsidies things... it's more about giving farming tax breaks.

No offense to farmers, they are the salt of the earth, and many do go
under. The ones that say afloat that are not big corporate farm's, however
many of them live off of subsidies, insurance and government programs....

Of course get caught cheating on taxes it's a big dot deal. If not caught no foul no harm.

gmcjetpilot said:

It's a tax thing.

It is a farm subsidies things... it's more about giving farming tax breaks.

No offense to farmers, they are the salt of the earth, and many do go
under. The ones that say afloat that are not big corporate farm's, however
many of them live off of subsidies, insurance and government programs....

Of course get caught cheating on taxes it's a big dot deal. If not caught no foul no harm.

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Let's be real here...........it ain't about farmers and their government subsidies. It's about road tax. The tax that pays for our highway infrastructure. Off road dyed fuel is legal in any piece of equipment that does not drive down a highway, ie generators, bulldozers, trains, boats, farm implements think about it. A farmer with farm plates cannot legally use off road diesel in his pick up that he drives on the road. If you like to have a highway or any road you drive on pay your road tax.Why do you think the rest of us are gonna do it for you?

MichaelB said:

Let's be real here...........it ain't about farmers and their government subsidies. It's about road tax. The tax that pays for our highway infrastructure. Off road dyed fuel is legal in any piece of equipment that does not drive down a highway, ie generators, bulldozers, trains, farm implements think about it. A farmer with farm plates cannot legally use off road diesel in his pick up that he drives on the road. If you like to have a highway or any road you drive on pay your road tax.Why do you think the rest of us are gonna do it for you?

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+1
Take a tractor -trailer....
Regular diesel goes in the fuel tank...
Then you can get OFF-ROAD DIESEL which is used to run the reefer..aka the small diesel motor that runs the compressors used for temperature control of the trailer....
Farmers buy diesel to put it in equip to fuel vechiles used in the fields....
They don't have to pay road taxes on that fuel cause a combine or tractor does not use a public road except to cross it..or go a few feet, an "interdental " use....
To imply that it is a subsides forgets that before fuel taxes were enacted, folks that used large volumes of fuel lobbied that they should not pay taxes to support infrastructure they don't use...
Construction equipment....yup...off road if it is used ...er...not on public roads...

If you want to learn more, you should realize that tractor-trailer trucks actually pay taxes per mile...and the taxes on fuel purchased is just a withholding....and under the current plan, owners get $$ back, or patly extra at the end of soecfic time periods to each states under the current system of "apportions"...that's why it says that on their plates...
That's why the days of trucks having plates for multi states is gone....it's done electronically.

jahlov420 said:

My local fuel stop has off road stuff for about 15 cents less a gallon. I guess there is a red Dyne in it to show road tax or whatever. I have deleted my dpf so if I wanted to save a few bucks, would it matter if I wanted to do this?

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Just a follow up thought here. If you deleted your dpf you already violated the law so go ahead and violate the law some more and burn off road only fuel too. It's your life bro who am I to say what you should and should not do.

Having assisted on an operating cattle ranch outside of Bakersfield, CA for almost 40 years--One of the first things I learned on the ranch, relative the off-road diesel fuel, is that the die shows up on your tail pipe--the tail pipe is the evidence.

Just a thought (input). They have two raised diesel tanks--one for off-road, and the other for regular on-road diesel trucks.

It does show up in the tail pipe.

Running off-road (non taxed) diesel fuel on the roads is highly illegal and if caught the fines can easily exceed the value of your car. Therefore it is not recommended for anyone.
Also non-taxed diesel fuel is also a banned subject at TDIClub. I think that enough people have had their say in this thread, so this thread is over. Thread locked.

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Don