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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old February 6th, 2017, 16:43   #1
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Default Appears to be a Fix for Gen 1 cars! Gen 2-3 are Software.

I had some interesting information sent to me today. I am not going to give away my source as it's internal, however this was absent of the usual "proprietary and confidential" tags that I've seen with all the other docs. That said I'm only posting this part right now...
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How many parts are involved with the TDI remedy?
Gen 1 vehicles will require parts, Gen 2 and Gen 3 Phase I are software only. In an effort to simplify ordering, we will be provide "kits" vs. individual part numbers for vehicles requiring hardware.
I have a LOT more information than that, however I do not want to post it all. That said if someone asks something that is concretely addressed in the doc I'll answer it in my own words.
Anyway, first ray of good news in a while!
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Old February 6th, 2017, 16:56   #2
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What kind of parts for gen. 01? SCR?
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Old February 6th, 2017, 17:00   #3
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Any major differences from what was proposed in the consent decree? (Different LNT plus software)
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Old February 6th, 2017, 17:07   #4
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Only parts that are addressed for gen 1 is a new Catalytic converter. Additionally if it has already been replaced there are no credits for previous repairs. All Cats must be returned directly to VW.

I haven't read the whole consent decree, sorry Brian! A previous document I had did say that there would be a different LNT and a software fix, but that is not addressed in this latest doc.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 17:11   #5
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I would expect DPF, Nox cat, main cat and EGR low pressure filter, and software switch too, of course.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 17:14   #7
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Hmmm... would love more info on Gen 1 cars and results. If this comes to fruition, I may end-up changing from "Buy Back" to "Fix."
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"Catalytic converter" probably is a generic term for "LNT". So, no real surprise.

Wonder what they're doing for the early models where the LNT is one piece with the DPF?
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Interestingly it says that the authorized repair time is 3 hours. If it takes longer than that then the dealer is required to provide a loaner.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 17:27   #10
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Gofaster: I was trying to find the post where someone missed their appointment by a few minutes and was told they had to reschedule.

For future reference, "What will happen if a customer misses their scheduled buyback appointment time?
The customer misses their appointment time, they have until the end of the same day to make their appointment, otherwise they will need to contact 844-98-CLAIM to reschedule. The earliest appointment will be scheduled out a minimum of 14 days to receive a new check."
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Old February 6th, 2017, 17:40   #11
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A reminder of what was included detail in the court docs from June:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.p...72&postcount=3

from: https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/871306/download

and as repeated several times here:

For Gen 1:
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3.2.1 Require the installation of a new exhaust flap, EGR filter, and NOx Trap
that meets the specifications of
BASF TEX2064, as proposed by Settling Defendants to
EPA and CARB on January 28, 2016, or, subject to EPA/CARB approval, such other
functionally and effectively equivalent hardware or software, provided that Settling
Defendants propose such other hardware or software in the applicable Proposed
Emissions Modification.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 18:49   #12
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As a Gen 2 owner that is great news BB.

I was fearful that they would not bother with a fix for the Gen 2s.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 18:50   #13
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I was considering buy back, but cannot find anything else I like. Now rethinking and considering the fix. Does anyone know whether the warranty after the fix be the same as GEN 3 (50,000 after fix). I also have a P0401 CEL code. Will that effect the fix or VW's willingness to do it without first fixing the P0401 first? Any guesses? Thanks
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BB, does your source say adblue consumption will increase? By how much? Does your source mention if performance will change? If so, in what way? For Gen 2 that is.
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BB, does your source say adblue consumption will increase? By how much? Does your source mention if performance will change? If so, in what way? For Gen 2 that is.
I was hoping someone would ask this...I'll quote this one.
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"Will customers be made aware of the future need for AdBlue fluid on vehicles that may get an AdBlue system installed? Will they know this when choosing the option to modify their vehicle?"

Performance impacts, including changes in AdBlue usage, will be disclosed in the official disclosure document.
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BTW, it's the same answer for how each vehicle will be affected by the modifications.

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