crashtested
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Jun 15, 2010
- Location
- Nelson, BC
- TDI
- 2016 Q5 TDI Technik, 2014 GSW CL 6MT (RIP), 2004 Jetta GLS 5MT (sold), 2010 GSW HL 6MT (buy back)
Any direct indication of when we might hear something?
I feel that, and this is my opinion, that the judge didn't like the end result of the agreement, and he would like VW to "try again."Any direct indication of when we might hear something?
Let's just remember, that the government washed their hands off it and chose NOT to get legally involved. Think about it ... which political party would voluntarily gave up an opportunity to show the bad guys how strong our consumer protection laws as well as environmental laws are?? None, that is if they believed they can get the right conviction or settlement for the affected consumers. It would be an election talking point for x number of years .... but they gave up this opportunity and left it with Ontario judge? Yeah, ok, I get it.
It's got nothing to do with the marketing label, and everything to do with breaking the law. It wouldn't change anything if they marketed the car on any other attribute.
You didn't per say, but your reply was end of string regarding how taxes should be part of the settlement as well etc. You will not get the tax back, unless you are getting back the full purchase price, essentially reversing the original transaction you stepped into with VW .... and that chance is so slim that it's a waste of time to discuss.Where did I say full purchase price in my last post?
People keep saying the government "washed their hands" of it and didn't get involved...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-deal-canada-1.3903045
"Meanwhile, the federal Competition Bureau said it has reached a consent agreement with Volkswagen Canada and Audi Canada for an additional $15-million penalty."
http://www.autofocus.ca/news-events/news/vw-could-face-prosecution-by-canadian-government
"Environment and Climate Change Canada may recommend charges be laid by the PPSC under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, based upon the findings of their investigation currently underway, reports Automotive News Canada."
Just because you either miss the news or nothing has come out doesn't mean there's nothing being done.
Apparently the feds had an issue with the marketing and slapped a 15mil fine on them. (see above link)
You are kidding, right?Any direct indication of when we might hear something?
Well the judge seemed to have an issue with this settlement, or he would have stamped his approval on it, and we would all be off to the races.And that somehow proves, that the consumers were rushing to buy TDI's because of the "CleanDiesel" label? I don't think so .... but it was a low hanging fruit for the CPA to lay a meaningless fine to me as a consumer waiting for the settlement.
The same government which approved the cars for use on Canadian roads, trusting whatever the manufacturers say on paper?
No, they really are not as serious about it as you think they are.
Yes, because this really proves how the government went vigorously after VW on behalf of the consumers.
They are taking their sweet time investigating, eh? And I am sure they will continue to investigate long time after you have your cheque from VW ....
Imagine the EPA and DOA, would have said the same thing south of the border. If you want to take a stand that's how you do it. Not claiming on-going investigation (not sure what they investigate, when EPA and DOA did all the heavy lifting ...) and letting the legal lifting be done by class action lawyers with the same government not being present at the same table ....
If you listen closely you can hear the sound of the goal posts moving.And that somehow proves, that the consumers were rushing to buy TDI's because of the "CleanDiesel" label? I don't think so .... but it was a low hanging fruit for the CPA to lay a meaningless fine to me as a consumer waiting for the settlement.
The same government which approved the cars for use on Canadian roads, trusting whatever the manufacturers say on paper?
No, they really are not as serious about it as you think they are.
Ummm no.You are kidding, right?
Misrepresentation is also against the law.It's got nothing to do with the marketing label, and everything to do with breaking the law. It wouldn't change anything if they marketed the car on any other attribute.
As I understand things, the above statement regarding a tax credit is only true if I trade in my vehicle for another VW or Audi, at least as far as the settlement goes.Not really, as you get a tax credit on the residual value of the car when you trade it. What you say only applies if you don't buy another car, or sell privately.
I don't know what most of the approximately 105,000 will do. In the US, there are lots of TDI's accumulating in some large parking lots (Silverdome, Norton AFB, Port of Baltimore, etc) from folks getting rid of their TDI's. I expect a lot of buybacks/trades north of the border as well.For most of us who trade or run it into the ground, it doesn't apply. Moreover, running it into the ground and taking the fix-it compensation is still possible with your TDI. Buyback or trade, are only two of the 4 options, the other 2 being keep, fix and be compensated, and do nothing.
When I factor in taxes I've spent, along with the extra costs such as my snows, other set of wheels, floor mats, etc — I don't know if the $5500 even quite covers it. It might, but barely.Where there might be a case is for VW to top up the offer to compensate for the reduced tax credit due to reduced market value at trade, as tax law says the tax credit is on fair market value which dieselgate depressed. VW will presumably argue though, that this is what the $5500 compensation in my case, is at least partly for.
Interesting, has anyone else in Canada seen these problems? I have definitely had much worst mileage recently and then my turbo died. My car is basically undrivable right now.UK fix problems.
Just correcting this, the judge can't declare anything.... he can reject the settlement and state reasons (maybe owners not getting full price is one of his reasons), but can't actually make the settlement do anything.If, for some reason, the judge declares that full value should be returned/paid back to TDI's owner, doesn't it mean that government should return the taxes component paid to VW when those cars were bought?
I don't think JT will be happy with that. At this point, maybe the judge only wants to question or make small modifications to the settlement before OKing it.
I tend to agree with you on that. But all this process hasn't been explained. I asked the lawyers what would be the real effect of my objections (I sent 3 objections) and didn't have any answer.Just correcting this, the judge can't declare anything.... he can reject the settlement and state reasons (maybe owners not getting full price is one of his reasons), but can't actually make the settlement do anything.
Completely different fix, and completely unrelated to Canadian cars... UK cares about CO2, we care about NOx....Interesting, has anyone else in Canada seen these problems? I have definitely had much worst mileage recently and then my turbo died. My car is basically undrivable right now.
Also, if the car is undrivable what happens to the buy back, anyone know?
I was told by the VW mechanic at the dealer that the 'turbo died' and it would cost $3000 plus to fix. I decided to skip it as I am hoping for the buy back ASAP. As it is now, if you engage the turbo by putting your foot down too hard on the accelerator (and that is hardly down at all) then the glow plug light starts flashing and the car loses all acceleration. So, in order to drive it you have to be very careful to never accelerate with ANY speed. If you muck up then you have to stop and restart the car. If that happens twice in a row then the CEL light goes on. If you are able to drive it very gingerly for a while the CEL light will go back off and you can continue with a no acceleration car. I can get it up to 80 km/hr but this is a very slow process.Completely different fix, and completely unrelated to Canadian cars... UK cares about CO2, we care about NOx....
Define 'basically undriveable'.... I have not heard of ANY issues of that magnitude in the US or Canada....
I would suggest not driving it at all. The turbo may blow up and you won't be able to drive it to the dealer. Just keep the battery charged and hope you can return it for the buyback soon. Drive it very lightly on the way to the dealer.I was told by the VW mechanic at the dealer that the 'turbo died' and it would cost $3000 plus to fix. I decided to skip it as I am hoping for the buy back ASAP. As it is now, if you engage the turbo by putting your foot down too hard on the accelerator (and that is hardly down at all) then the glow plug light starts flashing and the car loses all acceleration. So, in order to drive it you have to be very careful to never accelerate with ANY speed. If you muck up then you have to stop and restart the car. If that happens twice in a row then the CEL light goes on. If you are able to drive it very gingerly for a while the CEL light will go back off and you can continue with a no acceleration car. I can get it up to 80 km/hr but this is a very slow process.
So, the car is undrivable as having a no acceleration can be very unsafe in certain situations and it is extremely frustrating. At this point I have parked the car and I drive it once a week a short distance as I don't want it to stop working all together. I just thought it was interesting that the UK paper mentioned both decreased mileage and turbos dying which I have seen in my car.
Nothing changed in my case, same value.For kicks, I entered my VIN in the CBB calculator again, with 135000 KM's, its the same $17,013; with 150,000 its a bit higher at $17,013 (it was $16,910); at 170,000 its a bit higher too at $16,125 (was $15,829). The old numbers were at Feb 25/17.
I guess they have gone up in value a bit? Must be that judge's work.
I would suggest not driving it at all. The turbo may blow up and you won't be able to drive it to the dealer. Just keep the battery charged and hope you can return it for the buyback soon. Drive it very lightly on the way to the dealer.
In the US, all it needed to be was able to drive into the dealer's premises, hopefully that holds true here.
The mileage category breakpoints all went up 4000km this month. Values of those categories didn't change, but the breakpoints did.Nothing changed in my case, same value.
I don't know what most of the approximately 105,000 will do. In the US, there are lots of TDI's accumulating in some large parking lots (Silverdome, Norton AFB, Port of Baltimore, etc) from folks getting rid of their TDI's. I expect a lot of buybacks/trades north of the border as well.
FYI
Re: USA buyback/repair
"Breaking down that figure, approximately 238,000 vehicles have been bought back, with an additional 6,200 having undergone repairs."
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/...repaired-more-than-half-of-2-0-liter-diesels/
Per the Settlement Site FAQ:Interesting, has anyone else in Canada seen these problems? I have definitely had much worst mileage recently and then my turbo died. My car is basically undrivable right now.
Also, if the car is undrivable what happens to the buy back, anyone know?
A colleague with a 2012 Passat TDI had a NOx sensor go on his car... too expensive a repair before the buyback according to him -- so he's got less than 50 KM left before the vehicle won't start (according to the count down warning!).25. CAN I RECEIVE BENEFITS IF MY VEHICLE IS NOT OPERABLE?
In order for eligible Settlement Class Members to receive a Buyback, Trade-In or Approved Emissions Modification from the Settlement, their Eligible Vehicle must be operable—i.e., can be driven under the power of its own 2.0-litre TDI engine—when brought in to a Volkswagen or Audi dealership to participate in the Settlement. A vehicle is not considered operable if, among other reasons, it had a branded title of “Dismantled”, “Junk”, “Salvage” or “Mechanically Unfit” on September 18, 2015, or was acquired from a junkyard or salvage yard on or after September 18, 2015.