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In the market for a 2013 tdi wagon with navigation and roof. Got an out the door privce for $30k.
What is everyone else paying?
What is everyone else paying?
I want backup camera! More details please, link to camera?I was exactly same as di96 last December at 27k + tax. Although The nav/pano/stick combo is quite rare especially in the metallic colors.
Nav is fine but unit with added 32gb SD card and loaded with lossless m4a files is awesome for stock radio. KESSY that comes with it is worth every penny. The key never ever leaves your pocket. The voice activated Bluetooth phone works very well and syncs nicely with phone, although that's probably the same with the standard RCD510 radio. Plus the RNS315 nav unit is plug and play for the backup camera I installed For $220 adding more value to getting nav.
I bought this one on eBay from Asian seller. Quick shipping and excellent part.I want backup camera! More details please, link to camera?
In the market for a 2013 tdi wagon with navigation and roof. Got an out the door privce for $30k.
What is everyone else paying?
You're crazy. Those numbers ($10K premium for a TDI, 33% difference in RUG vs diesel) are not even remotely close to reality.Call me crazy, but a $10K premium is insane for a TDI. (A base S, 2.5L gasser goes for around $20K in the not-so-cheap DC area.).
I hope diesel costs about the same as regular gas where you are. The EPA bases annual use on 12,000 miles per year. EPA figures a TDI will burn about 300 gallons of diesel. EPA figures the S will burn about 400 gallons of regular. 100 gallons savings. But if diesel is $4 per gallon and regular gas is $3 per gallon, the annual fuel costs are the same...10 miles per dollar.
TDIs are generally better equipped than gassers. So there's no apples to apples comparison. And the only way to get a manual gasser is to buy the cheapest JSW, the base S. That means you can't get the panoramic roof and that you can only get a black cloth interior. But, assuming there's a loan involved, is the difference worth borrowing all of that extra money?
There are plenty of reasons to get a TDI. And I'm very pleased with mine. But I wouldn't want to get raked over the coals financially for the privilege of owning it.
Is this the camera that uses the trunk handle or the VW badge? The other thing is will this also work with the RNS315?I bought this one on eBay from Asian seller. Quick shipping and excellent part.
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JSW TDI is exactly $5,200.00 more, for a much better equipped car.Call me crazy, but a $10K premium is insane for a TDI. (A base S, 2.5L gasser goes for around $20K in the not-so-cheap DC area.).
I hope diesel costs about the same as regular gas where you are. The EPA bases annual use on 12,000 miles per year. EPA figures a TDI will burn about 300 gallons of diesel. EPA figures the S will burn about 400 gallons of regular. 100 gallons savings. But if diesel is $4 per gallon and regular gas is $3 per gallon, the annual fuel costs are the same...10 miles per dollar.
TDIs are generally better equipped than gassers. So there's no apples to apples comparison. And the only way to get a manual gasser is to buy the cheapest JSW, the base S. That means you can't get the panoramic roof and that you can only get a black cloth interior. But, assuming there's a loan involved, is the difference worth borrowing all of that extra money?
There are plenty of reasons to get a TDI. And I'm very pleased with mine. But I wouldn't want to get raked over the coals financially for the privilege of owning it.
The OP asked if $30K was a good price for a TDI JSW. I noted that a base S was about $20K in a high cost of living area and offered an opinion that $10K was too much of a premium to get a diesel engine. The OP set the $30K "reality" for a TDI. I offered up a $20K S as an alternative that costs $10K less.You're crazy. Those numbers ($10K premium for a TDI, 33% difference in RUG vs diesel) are not even remotely close to reality.
I totally agree about the performance benefits of the CR being a key to the comparison, but the OP was asking specifically about a loaded car, so the base model gasser comparison didn't really have any relevance.The OP asked if $30K was a good price for a TDI JSW. I noted that a base S was about $20K in a high cost of living area and offered an opinion that $10K was too much of a premium to get a diesel engine. The OP set the $30K "reality" for a TDI. I offered up a $20K S as an alternative that costs $10K less.
The 33% difference was for easy math, not for extreme accuracy. Diesel prices vary considerably by region and by time of the year. I just did a quick check on prices using GasBuddy and the difference is about 30 cents per gallon in favor of regular. By picking extremes in my area (cheapest regular vs most expensive diesel) I could get the dollar spread. My point was to illustrate the concept of miles per dollar, which is probably more important than MPG in determining operating costs.
Many TDI owners brag about the money saved because of the MPG. But MPG isn't the whole story in determining relative economy. Paying thousands to save hundreds just doesn't make sense to me. I'm more in sync with the benefits of Torque.
Our findings show that six tested diesels can save you money no matter what fuel costs, because their depreciation and fuel costs are significantly lower than their closest conventional counterparts: the Volkswagen Golf TDI, Jetta TDI sedan and wagon, and Passat TDI, the Mercedes-Benz E350 BlueTec, and the GL350 BlueTec SUV.
The conventional vehicles with which we compared the hybrids and diesels are the closest available alternatives when considering all factors, including performance, safety, and features. Most were compared with a similarly equipped all-gas version from the same model line.
Cost factors we considered include depreciation, fuel costs, insurance, interest on financing, maintenance and repairs, and sales tax.
I forgot about that report. Nice! 1 yr payback for a TDI JSW in the example given.About a year ago Consumer Reports actually did a general analysis of cost savings on Hybrid/Diesel cars vs. their comparable gasser counterparts, factoring in price tag, repairs, fuel cost, etc. It's obviously not gospel, but it speaks to the overall question of whether the cost differential for a TDI is worth it.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/hybrids-diesels-do-they-save-money/index.htm
Here are simple numbers. I drive TDI mkvi my gf has mkv 2.5 gasser so essentially same cars.But if you want to run the numbers using evenly priced fuel, that fine with me. EPA says a JSW gasser burns 100 gallons more fuel in 12,000 miles than a TDI will. So the net savings at $4 per gallon is...$400. So it takes a while to recoup the costs of the engine, even with identically priced.
Thanks for the link. Interesting chart and conclusion. I just wish they explained their methodology.About a year ago Consumer Reports actually did a general analysis of cost savings on Hybrid/Diesel cars vs. their comparable gasser counterparts, factoring in price tag, repairs, fuel cost, etc. It's obviously not gospel, but it speaks to the overall question of whether the cost differential for a TDI is worth it.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/hybrids-diesels-do-they-save-money/index.htm
.2013 JSW TDI 6sp Manual, no GPS.... Panoramic Roof
Carpet Floormats, Cargo Organizer, and silly First Aid Kit.
$24,750
Cheers!