tdiclubfan
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I looked through their Bluetec offerings and none of them look that remarkable in terms of fuel economy vs the TDIs. Are they behind in diesel development?
MB is the "safe player" in the diesel crowd...not the highest power, not the most efficient, but still there. That said, you have to hand it to them that they are putting diesels in more vehicles across their line-up than the other diesel makers.I looked through their Bluetec offerings and none of them look that remarkable in terms of fuel economy vs the TDIs. Are they behind in diesel development?
No, our showrooms are just sadly devoid of most of their offerings.I looked through their Bluetec offerings and none of them look that remarkable in terms of fuel economy vs the TDIs. Are they behind in diesel development?
DPM, sadly the North American market, which is still about 20-25 years behind the ROTW when it comes to diesel availability.Are you talking about only the vehicles available to the US, or to the brand in general?
I know guys getting almost that much torque out of a 1.9 liter VW diesel. The real question is: How did they manage that much torque from only 2.1 liters and still pass US emission requirements?How did they manage that much torque from only 2.1 liters?
Derrel
none of them look that remarkable in terms of fuel economy vs the TDIs.
Don't think that anyone can say MBZ is behind when they are soon to offer the GLK with only a 2.1 L
four banger that puts out the same torque as does my '05 CDI, that being 369 ft/lb torque.
How did they manage that much torque from only 2.1 liters?
Derrel
The OM642 re-design is certainly something to alter M-B's place in the diesel world, but it doesn't seem to go much beyond that tweak.
By "safe", I meant a subjective term meaning currently trending towards having a diesel in (most) every vehicle, but without the higher-power trends that BMW is pursuing (particularly with the 50d tri-turbo), nor with the economy emphasis that VAG is placing on 2.0L CR engines. The result is the availability of a diesel option in nearly all of M-B's chassis, but with the C-series as the exception. A C250 (or C350) Bluetec would be a great car, but I don't think we'll see a smaller 4-banger oil burner in a Benz for some time to come. That said, I think BMW has also lost momentum on any gains it had from making a re-entrance to the diesel world after the last effort in the 80's with the 524tds...the X5 is selling well, but a wider range of diesel offerings, including a smaller 4, like what I believe M-B should be offering, would be readily accepted, I believe.
Regards
D.
Boost, and lots of it . . . creating very high V.E.!
Scaled down to a 2.1L equivalent, 2.1L of BMW's 3.0L 50d would produce 382 ft-lbs, a bit more than the OM651 -- that said, M-B's little 2.1 is still pretty impressive!