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Old April 23rd, 2019, 20:04   #181
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The only people who know about relative and actual frequency of problems are the manufacturers and they ain't talking.
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Old April 23rd, 2019, 20:43   #182
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The only people who know about relative and actual frequency of problems are the manufacturers and they ain't talking.
You got that right. So the rest of the forums or mechanics opinions are really just hearsay. No one here really knows the failure rates as to a real percentage of nonfailure. The best part of the forum is that many here know how to fix the failure when it occurs to their car. That's part of why we are here sharing what we do know. Lets just not get carried away with conjecture about what we don't know.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 02:43   #183
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Mechanics also see lots of cars that don't have any major problems. People bring in cars for normal maintenance stuff all of the time.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 03:08   #184
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A mechanic's perspective is always that everything is worse than it actually is ... because they only EVER see the ones that break. \.

That is an absolute false statement, and a myth, and quite honestly angers me to no end that it persists. I see plenty of cars that do not break, because EVERY car needs normal scheduled PM and normal wear items like tires, and in Missouri we have both safety and OBD inspections, that I do, so we see that regardless.

Since our shop is higher volume, and we do pretty much everything, we have a HUGE sample size. We also have a large span of model years, and we see a large span of mileage. We also see a huge variety of the human factor that has a drastic influence on the vehicles we service.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 04:43   #185
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^^^ plus mechanics talk to other mechanics which increases the sample size. When I helped run an autocross series many dealership and independent mechanics ran cars in the events. They knew what broke and what didn't and were very objective about it.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 04:50   #186
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Yes, I have a pretty extensive network of peers, across many brands as well as other independents and specialists. Dealers do see a different slice of the market for sure. And not better or worse, necessarily. Just different.

Also industry places like flatratetech, IATN, ASE, and others offer a good gathering ground for professionals to exchange information, in addition to the numerous publications we get. DerFix magazine is a great source of VAG/Porsche specific tech info, for instance. And no secret there about the EA888 engine's chronic problems, LOL.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 05:19   #187
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Actually, individual owner's experiences is much more anecdotal and less useful than a mechanic's, because most owners have a sample size of 1 car. I'm constantly amazed at items customers ask for: I often wonder "how did you break that?" But even though I have owned more TDIs than most (10+), my experience isn't representative because of the small number of cars. Of course that won't keep me from sharing it here.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 05:28   #188
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You are also on the receiving end of a lot of DIYrs who often shotgun diagnostics for a problem because they do not understand how to properly go about the procedure OR do not have the tools to do something a certain way.

I get a few of those in here too. After someone has thrown part after part at something, only to find they overlooked something painfully obvious. I actually got yelled at t he other day for that.

Some guy towed in a BRM car that was running bad, random DTCs, and could not be trusted. He had installed: a new throttle flap, a new EGR valve, cleaned the intake, bypassed the leaking EGR cooler, then put it back on (still leaking ), cleaned all the grounds, and was pulling his hair out. While he backed it off the trailer, and it was still at idle, I had him open the hood. I wiggled the engine harness by the starter and the engine died. Told him he needed a new harness. Took me 10 seconds. He got mad when I told him about how much it was going to be to replace it. But his anger was likely misplaced, as he was certainly ticked off about how much time and money he had thrown at the poor car to this point, not to mention how much gas his V8 3/4 ton Silverado drank pulling the car on a trailer from Springfield MO.
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Everyone (even gurus) misdiagnose sometimes. I went through a raft of issues with the ABS on my '99.5 Golf, and my guru went so far as replacing the pump (I had one so it wasn't a huge deal). Turns out it was (a) a bad fuse on the battery top box; and (b) a broken ABS sensor wire buried in the inner fender. Live and learn.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 07:40   #190
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Some GM engines do the same thing, but their pressure regulation is done either in the intake manifold itself or in the valve cover... the horrid 1.4L turbo engine... just sucks the little valve out of the intake and eats it.
I guess it's good mine isn't turbo
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a mechanic's perspective is always that everything is worse than it actually is ... Because they only ever see the ones that break. What you don't know, is whether there are 10, or 100, or 1000, that didn't break, for every one that did break.

Let's also keep in mind that from the consumer reports perspective, historically, vws have been terrible cars. I've gone past 400,000 km on two of them. Did the occasional thing go wrong? Sure.
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I don't consider Consumer Reports a good barometer for a lot of products. VW's low ratings in their publication can have as much to do with the dealer service network as the cars themselves. Those of us who were around in the early '00s remember the horror stories about VW dealer service on those troublesome ALH engined TDIs, which are now considered the most reliable of VW diesels.
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Old April 24th, 2019, 14:27   #193
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I consider Consumer Reports to be useless. According to them I've owned some of the crappiest cars ever made and they took me where I wanted to go for over 250k miles. Go figure. I retired them due to rust and general rattiness, not mechanical failure. Meanwhile a niece had a Corolla and everything fell off at 100k, another relative had a Subaru that coughed up it's head studs at 60k. I know that is a small sample size, but who cares....drive more, worry less
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They also don't really give good credible long term information either. It is just short term stuff generally. Nobody is polling original owners of 10+ year old cars that have a 1/4 million miles racked up on them. You have to take it with a grain of salt.

You also have to decide what is important to you. For me, I spend ~2 hours a day in my car, and drive quite a bit on weekends usually. I am also no tinkerbell. So I require something that I can fit in comfortably for all that driving, something that lasts indefinitely, something that is fun to drive, and something that consumes a minimal amount of fuel. So yeah, statistics will be in favor of a Corolla over my Golf in terms of reliability, but having spent plenty of time in every version of Corolla sold here in the last 40 years, there isn't a single one of them that can check all the other requirement boxes that my Golf does so easily. And sadly, even Volkswagen now has nothing on offer that can claim that either. May come close, but something tells me a 2019 Golf, in 19 years and 552k miles, couldn't claim what my current daily driver can.
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^^^ I'm in the same situation. Did a couple 35k mile years and have a couple more coming up. Not interested in VAG stuff except GSW with 1.4, looking at Compass, Equinox, CX5, not sure what I'll do.
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