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Old August 12th, 2011, 20:54   #61
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Old August 24th, 2011, 07:35   #62
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Protocol Automotive in Floyd did a fantastic job on the BSM replacement for my 2004 Passat. Good price, too. It might be a haul from SE VA, but definitely closer than St. Louis!

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Old August 24th, 2011, 10:41   #63
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Protocol Automotive in Floyd did a fantastic job on the BSM replacement
Pardon the cynicism (I haven't had my 2nd cup of coffee yet), but... how you do you know they did a "fantastic" job?

Some of us can be a bit skeptical of newbies who post rave reviews... Now, looking at these mechanics' website, I see that they recommend 3000 mile oil changes and say that automobile batteries generally last about 3 years... I'd say both of those are rather different from the experience and protocols of most of the members here...

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Old August 29th, 2011, 15:11   #64
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Pardon the cynicism (I haven't had my 2nd cup of coffee yet), but... how you do you know they did a "fantastic" job?
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"Fantastic" means I was able to drive my car away without the engine blowing up. My enthusiasm comes from my joy at finding a shop that knew how to spell "BSM" less than a days drive from my home. Someone else in this forum recommended them, so they had already done at least one replacement job, which was reassuring when deciding on who to do the work.
That was at 185,000 miles. I'm currently over 212,000 miles, happily "unchained".
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Old August 31st, 2011, 12:08   #65
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I just posted a note in the forum and thought I should give folks like me a heads up in South Easthern VA

DIA Automotive in Virginia Beach VA did my balance shaft upgrade along with new timing belt and new Camshaft.

They have done several rebuilds of TDI Passats and they are great people to work with.

I just picked my car up today, so attempting to avoid any flames regarding the word fantastic.... I was indeed able to drive my car away, The Car currently drives wonderfully, and I am not a Newbie eventhough my login ID says so.

I have been a reader and a infrequent poster since 2009. I had been working with Oilhammer to try to get to St Louis, but my schedule would never permit it. THANKS OILHAMMER for all of the good advice over the past 18 months.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 05:44   #66
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I really need a TDI! 7.3 only gets 17mpg!

After reading about the Passat needing the upgrade, I am worried about buying A Passat wagon, unless I can get a deal on one then have it done. What kind of cost is involved?
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Old October 4th, 2011, 10:28   #67
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I just posted a note in the forum and thought I should give folks like me a heads up in South Easthern VA

DIA Automotive in Virginia Beach VA did my balance shaft upgrade along with new timing belt and new Camshaft.

They have done several rebuilds of TDI Passats and they are great people to work with.

I just picked my car up today, so attempting to avoid any flames regarding the word fantastic.... I was indeed able to drive my car away, The Car currently drives wonderfully, and I am not a Newbie eventhough my login ID says so.

I have been a reader and a infrequent poster since 2009. I had been working with Oilhammer to try to get to St Louis, but my schedule would never permit it. THANKS OILHAMMER for all of the good advice over the past 18 months.
What is the going rate for this upgrade? If the area you live in makes a difference, how about in the Midwest?

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Old October 11th, 2011, 21:43   #68
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The factory VW dealer I am working with tells me that the balance shaft upgrade is a red herring, is over-hyped, and is unnessary.

I would think that if they thought is was a necessary repair on my 2005 B5 Passat TDI Wagon that they would happily take my money and do the upgrade.

Can someone please explain why this upgrade is so critical, and why I should pay several thousand dollars to have this work performed when the factory dealership I am working with says it is unnecsary?

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Old October 11th, 2011, 22:01   #69
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The factory VW dealer I am working with tells me that the balance shaft upgrade is a red herring, is over-hyped, and is unnessary.

I would think that if they thought is was a necessary repair on my 2005 B5 Passat TDI Wagon that they would happily take my money and do the upgrade.

Can someone please explain why this upgrade is so critical, and why I should pay several thousand dollars to have this work performed when the factory dealership I am working with says it is unnecsary?

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Moose: The chain drives the oil pump and the balance shaft. When you are driving, and the chain breaks, the oil pump stops pumping oil. You will then have about 3 seconds to save your crankshaft bearings and other lubricated parts. The fix after a chain break is usually $4 - $8K.

If your chain stays good, you are golden.

If there was no possibility for the chain to break (and they only break when driving), VW would not bother to sell the geared balance shaft parts and discontinue the sale of the chain and sprocket setup that's in your car now.

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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:07   #70
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The factory VW dealer I am working with tells me that the balance shaft upgrade is a red herring, is over-hyped, and is unnessary.

I would think that if they thought is was a necessary repair on my 2005 B5 Passat TDI Wagon that they would happily take my money and do the upgrade.

Can someone please explain why this upgrade is so critical, and why I should pay several thousand dollars to have this work performed when the factory dealership I am working with says it is unnecsary?

Thank you.
The dealer is correct. It is unnecessary to upgrade the BSM, right up to the point the chain fails [edit: without warning]. This is one of Oilhammer's photos... don't remember which one, but usually costs the owner many-thousands $ for engine repair after this happens - much more than pro-actively replacing the chain driven BSM with the gear driven BSM. And it isn't just oil starvation that causes the damage, when the chain comes apart it can ruin the end of the crankshaft.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:11   #71
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The factory VW dealer I am working with tells me that the balance shaft upgrade is a red herring, is over-hyped, and is unnessary.

I would think that if they thought is was a necessary repair on my 2005 B5 Passat TDI Wagon that they would happily take my money and do the upgrade.

Can someone please explain why this upgrade is so critical, and why I should pay several thousand dollars to have this work performed when the factory dealership I am working with says it is unnecsary?

Thank you.
I want to punch those dealer folks in the face, I am so sick and tired of hearing that same crap. God, they are so F'ing clueless....

I just did 3 week before last, 2 of them were broken already, one of which had already had the chain drive replaced once in its past already! Then just this week:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=332386

Yeah, red herring alright... tell that to these people that suddenly find themselves on the other end of a multi-thousand dollar repair bill. If VAG did not think this was an issue, why would they have changed the design in 2006? Why would they have implemented the retrofit in 2008? And why would I have BUCKETS full of busted parts???
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:44   #72
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Had two people tow to the yard their cars last year for it. Sure......dosen't happen....
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Old October 12th, 2011, 07:50   #73
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The factory VW dealer I am working with tells me that the balance shaft upgrade is a red herring, is over-hyped, and is unnessary.
There are still many people out there who hold on to the belief that the lifespan of a car is somewhere around 100,000 miles. (I have a lawyer friend whose 1991 American car just passed 75,000 miles...)

For those people, the balance shaft upgrade may indeed be unnecessary... if they're lucky...

BTW: a VW dealership (or, at least, the salesmen or service "advisors") may not represent the best source of information about these cars...

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Old October 12th, 2011, 07:57   #74
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Old October 12th, 2011, 08:22   #75
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The factory VW dealer I am working with tells me that the balance shaft upgrade is a red herring, is over-hyped, and is unnessary.

Dealer (today): "see above"......

A few months from now - Dealer: "Sir, you need a new engine...." ...We think the turbo went...... "please write a check for $8,000....Thank you!"
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